Chrétien to step down

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Cabinet ministers and foreign diplomats. Nope, there was no threat at all to peace and government.

It was A cabinet minister and A foreign diplomat. And how many people were involved - less than a dozen. Hardly a significant threat to peace and government.

Originally posted by notyoueither
Why should the West even be involved in the equation?

Because you're Canadian and this was an act by the Canadian government. Because we, and yes it was the majority of Canadians who turned a blind eye, let Trudeau get away with it, and we thanked for stomping on people's basic rights. And a few years later his government was screwing the rest of the country just like he screwed the Quebecers.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Richelieu
I don't know why the "not doing anything" part is being blamed only on the west. Nobody outside of Quebec gave a ****.

I don't think anyone blamed it ONLY on the west.

Way back on page 3 of this thread I wrote: ). "When the War Measures Act was enacted, people outside of Quebec made no major objections."

But NYE and Asher freaked out and just assumed that it was only the Westerners getting blamed.

Originally posted by Richelieu
As a matter of fact, the westerners could say that Ontario is the only part of Canada which would have had enough weight, demographicaly or politicaly, to pressure the PM.

Yup.

[blackice]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Squirm little fishy.

It appears you have lost your mind




You are obviously a classic example of why they took post counts out of O.T.

[blackice]

During a Liberal meeting, Martin gets up and leaves to go address the reporters. Martin lambasted Cretien for some of his policies.

At the same time several Liberals deny support for Cretien. The numbers they say are about 65% and climbing who do not support him.

My guess is Cretien will not make it past the vote.

Careless Harris will announce if he will run for the PC party head soon.
If he wins I suggest it will even split the votes more, I also suggest and Liberal win in the next ellection.

Harrris could unite the CA and PC's though and that could sink the liberals. That would depend on how fast they go about the changes.

[Asher]

Re: Re: Hi-o!

Originally posted by Tingkai
What makes this more funny is that it comes after I responded to Loif. Jealous of Alberta? Like I said before, what's there to envy?

It could be anything from having the highest salaries in the nation, to the lowest taxes in the nation, to the highest math & science marks in the nation, to having the lowest unemployment in the nation, to having the most beautiful backdrop in the nation, or even the supreme sexiness of Albertans in general.

Asher reminds me of a Discworld book

If it's any consolation, you remind me of Waldo in the Where's Waldo books.

Okay Asher, let me explain to it one more time. I know there is very little chance that you will understand this basic concept of politics, but I'll try it anyways.

If Alberta always votes conservative, then the Liberals have no politcal incentive to help that region. If the Liberals help, Alberta still votes conservative.

Oh, DUH! The solution is so obvious to me now. Albertans should vote Liberal so we can get our right wing interests into action. The Liberals will need to bend over backwards to help us as soon as they have a 99% seat majority in the House of Commons, right?!

Is that how logic works out there, Tingkai? It seems something like Ottawa would say anyway.

This, however, does not mean Alberta has no power. It does not mean that Alberta has no ability to influence federal policies. It does not mean that Alberta is being screwed by Easterners.

Albertans make a choice to always vote conservative. No one is forcing them to vote this way. They have to accept responsibility for the way they vote.

The problem isn't with Alberta voting conservative, but central Canada voting Liberal.
Alberta votes conservative because ALBERTA IS CONSERVATIVE. We're not going to vote Liberal, that would accomplish NOTHING. Got that? It's a very basic idea. If you want to have a right wing government, you vote for the right wing party -- and not the incumbant left wingers.

Simple really. Understand? Probably not.

You have the logic skill of a drunken ape. Kudos.

And you miss the point. If you were banned then you should have waited until after ban had ended. The fact that you were banned does not justify your actions.

You started a thread specifically designed to attack me on a website that I never visit. I call that hiding.

HAH. Why would I wait? And I wasn't hiding, why would I hide from you? You both can't act logically nor can you insult anyone worth a damn, it just adds to the comedy when you try to post more.

Anyway, here's an analogy: You're sitting at the side of a parade, and a man is walking down the street literally tripping over himself and shouting stuff about how the Texans from Pluto are out to get him. Would you wait until this parade is over, go up to him, slap him on the back and say "You, sir, are a friggin moron!", or would you laugh out loud and say the person next to you, "What a friggin' moron!". I chose to do the latter. If that makes me immature, so be it, but if you don't want people to do it perhaps you shouldn't say such stupid (very very stupid) and outlandish things.

Ontario is far bigger than "the west", not to mention closer and more influencial, and you only mentioned "the west" in your little rant about how it's everyone's fault but the Liberals. Get a friggin clue man! The pollution is getting to you out there.

The West NEVER voted for Trudeau in the first place, before OR after this.
Why do you think Trudeau would give a DAMN about Westerners protesting when they already don't like him? He'd probably (literally) give them the finger and laugh it off.

[blackice]

The West NEVER voted for Trudeau in the first place, before OR after this.
Why do you think Trudeau would give a DAMN about Westerners protesting when they already don't like him? He'd probably (literally) give them the finger and laugh it off.

He came out there didn't he? He was the last to go out there? Honestly who can blame them?
He did give them the finger and he did care about Canada.

The pollution is getting to you out there.

Kyoto will happen...

The problem isn't with Alberta voting conservative, but central Canada voting Liberal.

Hummm Cretien or Doris? Too easy for the people that think at least.

We're not going to vote Liberal, that would accomplish NOTHING.

How would you know? Mind you they voted for PC and got slapped too.

It could be anything

Could be Klien or hatred of the eastern people? Humm again a no brainer.
Alberta is a great province with the highest unemployment amoung 16-24 year-olds. The poor top most if not all provinces working and not. Most of them are single mothers. Just to start so why with all that money is it that way...Klien.

Hey what other premier other than Harris is capable of walking in drunk to a homeless shelter and berating on the sick, elderly and mentaly imbalanced people?
Who was the first premier with cash coming out the ying yang to cut services to all and primarily the sick, poor and elderly. Klien.
I like Alberta grew up there, I dispise klien and some simpleton Albertans that harp about the nep and forget the NOP. Complain the east as a whole is to blame for all thier ills.

[notyoueither]

Ahhh geez. We are disliked by a bigot and a moron.

I'm crushed.

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Kyoto will happen...

Hopefully they wait till I'm done college and move to the States before ****ing up everything.

Could be Klien or hatred of the eastern people? Humm again a no brainer.

Nobody hates eastern people here, or most people don't. I'm actually willing to say it's the other way around. People like Tingkai are all over Canada and continually make attacks on Alberta's population and culture. Everyone thinks Alberta is full of intolerant hicks. People in Alberta don't do that kind of **** with people in Ontario -- we just don't like the federal politicians in Ottawa.

Alberta is a great province with the highest unemployment amoung 16-24 year-olds. The poor top most if not all provinces working and not. Most of them are single mothers. Just to start so why with all that money is it that way...Klien.

Wanna get a link for that unemployment comment?

Hey what other premier other than Harris is capable of walking in drunk to a homeless shelter and berating on the sick, elderly and mentaly imbalanced people?

Wow, is that how they slanted it out east?
See, this isn't even news, but the Eastern newspapers jump all over it because it's a chance to bash the evil Albertans and their government.
He went into a homeless shelter to talk to people after he was "tipsy" (drunk ), and actually had pleasant conversations with most of them. A couple homeless people (also drunk) then started shouting at him about funding more homeless shelters so they could live there, and he responded with comments like "Maybe you should get a job". Obviously not a good thing, but it's not like he randomly burst into the shelter swearing at everyone like you want everyone to believe.

Who was the first premier with cash coming out the ying yang to cut services to all and primarily the sick, poor and elderly. Klien.

No, not primarily the sick, poor, and elderly -- he also hurt the children. "You don't care about children do you"?

When he came into power he slashed spending and streamlined the budget. That's what conservative politicians do when the previous budget is too bloated and the economy wasn't very strong (you act like it was booming?).

I like Alberta grew up there, I dispise klien and some simpleton Albertans that harp about the nep and forget the NOP. Complain the east as a whole is to blame for all thier ills.

The only simpletons in this thread so far have been you and Tingkai. And you're frustratingly hypocritical.

Alberta doesn't blame the East -- we blame Ottawa's politicians. And rightly so, anyone with half a brain can see why (sorry Tingkai & blackice).

However, the East does blame the West. Tingkai's comment is just classic.

It's like you're all sitting over there in the East and see how well off Alberta is and take every possible chance to bash Albertans and the west in general, and then afterwards say how you love them and just don't like it when they whine. The glorious irony here is, of course, it was two easterners in this thread who whined about the West long before Westerners were even here. What's more is you talk about how all Albertans talk about is the NEP, when actually one of the genius easterners (Tingkai) brought it up. That's how it usually is on Apolyton actually. It's just once you get Albertans started on it, particularly when you have the balls to say it was a good thing, that they'll get very pissed off at you.

[Loif]

Originally posted by Tingkai

I don't think anyone blamed it ONLY on the west.

Way back on page 3 of this thread I wrote: ). "When the War Measures Act was enacted, people outside of Quebec made no major objections."

But NYE and Asher freaked out and just assumed that it was only the Westerners getting blamed.



Yup.

Here is what you said Tingkai:

Originally posted by Tingkai
Well the West got their just desserts. They did nothing to oppose the suspension of basic rights in Quebec. Then a few years later, the old autocratic decides to take a share of the oil revenues.

By saying that the West got their just deserts you are implying that it was the West's fault.

[Loif]

Originally posted by Tingkai




Talk about ego. What would an Albertan have that anyone would create jealousy among others? The only thing I can think of easy access to some of the most beautiful wilderness in the world (I don't know why the Apolytoners in Alberta are on the web when they could be out enjoying life). If this is what you are talking about then I'll plead guilty.

But lets look at what Alberta lacks:
1) Decent NHL hockey teams;
2) Culture (sorry folks, the Stampede don't count), such as, decent art facilities, famous writers, artists;
3) World class universities;
4) ; and
5) A diverse economy.

What Alberta has, and it can keep:
1) Wannbe cowboys;
2) People who own 4x4s, but never leave the city;
3) The Stampede;
4) Ralph Klein, Preston Manning, the Reformers, CAers, or whatever they're calling themselves these days.
5) Asher (and I only write that because I know that he is reading this, and problably fuming at the mouth, but that's what you get when you get yourself banned.)

1) Hmmm... I guess six Stanley Cups in a span of what, say 15 years is something to laugh at? Not to mention that our province supports two NHL teams. Tell me again why Edmonton is called "The City of Champions"? I seem to have forgotten.

2) Edmonton hosts numerous festivals throughout the summer, the highlight of which is the Heritage Festival, one of the biggest cultural events in the world. Besides that we have Klondike Days, the Fringe Festival, etc.

3) We have two world class universities in my humble opinion, the University of Alberta and the University of Calgary. Geez, did I forget to mention that at the U of A medical researchers are close to finding a cure for diabetes? No? Must have slipped my mind.

4) The average Albertan can punctuate their sentences correctly.

5) Well what else can I say that hasn't already been said? Alberta is without a doubt the richest province in the country.

Hey, I did all of that WITHOUT throwing in one insult towards your area of the country. Perhaps you should follow suit?!

Oh, and for the record, we'll keep Klein. He may have his problems but at least he's got enough guts to admit it. He's probably the first politician in the history of this country who admits that he has weaknesses just like the rest of us. He's got my respect in that regard. Oh, and he's given us a surplus too. I may not agree with everything he does but you have to admit the man gets things done.

[November Adam]

One of the reasons that I like Klein is that his platform, way back was on fiscal responsibility, and that there would be cut backs. Not many politicians talk about cut backs.

[Tingkai]

Re: Re: Re: Hi-o!

Originally posted by Asher
It could be anything from having the highest salaries in the nation, to the lowest taxes in the nation, to the highest math & science marks in the nation, to having the lowest unemployment in the nation, to having the most beautiful backdrop in the nation, or even the supreme sexiness of Albertans in general.

It's easy to have low unemployment when the Alberta government pays the unemployed to leave the province.

Oil = low taxes and high salaries.

Yes, as I have mentioned before, the backcountry of Alberta is incredible. That's why I sometimes wonder why you spend so much time at Apolyton. Alberta summers are a time for hiking, camping, fishing, etc.

Originally posted by Asher
Oh, DUH! The solution is so obvious to me now. Albertans should vote Liberal so we can get our right wing interests into action. The Liberals will need to bend over backwards to help us as soon as they have a 99% seat majority in the House of Commons, right?!
Is that how logic works out there, Tingkai? It seems something like Ottawa would say anyway.

So close and yet so far.

Yes, in Ottawa, and in most of the world, people realize that a liberal party is not going to create policies that appeal to conservative votes.

But it is only people like you who think that this simple political fact is some great injustice and that somehow the liberals have a grudge against your province.

And when this simple political concept gets explained to you, you attack the messenger.

Originally posted by Asher
The problem isn't with Alberta voting conservative, but central Canada voting Liberal.

It should go without saying you can't get elected unless the majority of people vote for you, except in US presidential elections. But it must also true that the existence of two right-wing parties allows the Liberal to win a lot of seats through the FPTP system.

Originally posted by Asher
Alberta votes conservative because ALBERTA IS CONSERVATIVE.

Fine, that's your choice, but if you choose to vote that way then don't whine about the fact that Liberal governments don't create the policies you want.

If you say that you'll never vote Liberal, then you'll generally be ignored by Liberal politicians.

Originally posted by Asher
HAH. Why would I wait?

There's more to life then Apolyton, at least there is for most people.

Originally posted by Asher
And I wasn't hiding, why would I hide from you?

Indeed, I also wondered about the motives of running off to another site.

The easy answer is lack of guts. People like you routinely try to talk tough, but then you run off to another site to lick your wounds and to do a circle jerk with other gutless wonders.

If there is a reason for this behaviour then it is insecurity. That would explain your need to constantly tell everyone how you supposedly destroyed someone's arguments when you have done nothing of the sort. You think that by insulting Apolytoners at CG will make you look tough, when in fact, it just makes you look pathetic.

Originally posted by Asher
Anyway, here's an analogy...

So you describe a situation where you see someone who is mentally ill and your response is to laugh at the person and insult the person. Nice, real nice.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Ahhh geez. We are disliked by a bigot and a moron.

I'm crushed.

Ah, what a witty comment. And the great thing about NYE is his massive vocabulary. If you are going to try to insult someone, at least make it interesting. Repeatedly calling Blackice a bigot and a moron is boring.

[Asher]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi-o!

Originally posted by Tingkai
Yes, as I have mentioned before, the backcountry of Alberta is incredible. That's why I sometimes wonder why you spend so much time at Apolyton. Alberta summers are a time for hiking, camping, fishing, etc.

What kind of computer geek would I be if I spent all this time outside? Jeez, there's codes against that kind of thing you know.

Indeed, I also wondered about the motives of running off to another site.

It's quite simple. Let's see if you can follow:
1. Boredom
2. Supreme stupidity on behalf of a vulnerable lefty
3. Banned from this site

I find it amazing that you were hurt by it so much that you're still whining about it days later. I didn't realize your ego was so fragile, otherwise I would have tried it earlier.

The easy answer is lack of guts. People like you routinely try to talk tough, but then you run off to another site to lick your wounds and to do a circle jerk with other gutless wonders.

You said yourself earlier I'm not afraid to tell people what I think, so you know damn well I would have told you here if I could at the time.

If there is a reason for this behaviour then it is insecurity.

You mean your behavior, still whining about people making fun of your incredibly stupid comments on another site? Days have passed, and you bring it upon yourself with such blatantly stupid comments, get over it.

You think that by insulting Apolytoners at CG will make you look tough, when in fact, it just makes you look pathetic.

Erm, not quite. I usually insult Apolytoners on Apolyton (hence my banning, ironically ). I was bored and you were being exceedingly stupid, so I thought it was fun to mock it.

So you describe a situation where you see someone who is mentally ill and your response is to laugh at the person and insult the person. Nice, real nice.

Hey, I don't think you're mentally ill, it's just sometimes you act like it.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Repeatedly calling Blackice a .. a moron is boring.

The truth isn't always interesting.