Chrétien to step down

[Tingkai]

Re: Re: Re: Hi-o!

Originally posted by Asher
The West NEVER voted for Trudeau in the first place, before OR after this.

In 1968, 35.7 per cent of Albertans voted for the Trudeau Liberals. In 1972, 10 per cent of Albertans come to their sense, but a quarter of the Albertan voters stay with the Liberals.

In 1968, about 40 per cent of voters in the rest of western Canada vote Liberal.

Support for the Liberals in the west slowly declines througout the 70s and 80s.

In the 1990s and in the last election, support for the Liberals in the west is on the rise.

[Asher]

The increasing support for the Liberals is due to eastern Canada fleeing en masse to Alberta because it's such a better place to live, of course.

Seriously though, I bet there's a correlation of interprovincial migration and the rise of the Liberal's popularity.

Provincially though, the Liberals are getting worse each year.

And of course, in my statement, I meant majority. Especially during the 70s and 80s where the Liberal's support in the west was abysmal...

It would also be far more interesting if you supplied seats won rather than vote percentage, since that's what matters.

[blackice]

notyoueither You lied about your own identity.

Where? More tripe from the flake.

Asher:

Alberta doesn't blame the East:

I think Klein's quote on "Eastern bums and creeps" will bury his campaign in a national election, even though the comment was somewhat misunderstood by most of the nation.

Quebec is full of masochists, I fully expect them to keep electing Liberals or Bloc.
Harper insulted the Maritimes,

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51884

Are you wingnuts happy you voted liberal now (coughOntariocough). Boo!

Seems to me just in this limited O.T. we can find a few examples do I have to go to Hansards and or the local Alberta papers to show the readers here your BS?

The article was primarily about Chretien throwing around the words "share" and "resources" in the same sentence. Which is extremely alarming to any Albertan who knows his history. Surely you would know that, right?

One reason your Alberta we are god tripe attracts so much attention and distain.

Asher:

And he has a tendancy to go into a homeless shelter and tell them to get jobs.

I fail to see the humor, now to down play it and "claim" the Eastern media built it out of proportion.

Asher:

The only simpletons in this thread so far have been you and Tingkai. And you're frustratingly hypocritical.

Sure, you go girl!

However, the East does blame the West. Tingkai's comment is just classic, It's like you're all sitting over there

Sure they all do...Asher as many have said to you, every thread about Canada you have turned into a pro I am Alberta we are god, screw you we will not pay, you are all dumb we are smart, we do not share, we will separate, Trudeau blah blah blah tripe. Why not just start a thread an leave the rest on topic?

No, not primarily the sick, poor, and elderly -- he also hurt the children. "You don't care about children do you"?

Nice to see you do read some post's I still fail to see what is so funny about it. Now tell me with all the billions why is there one child? I have asked that several times, it appears obvious to me and others your focus is cash, wealth. Nationalism and the rest have no meaning to you. This is very shallow and represents the worst of what Canada is all about. If you separate does that hurt the Liberals or Canada?

I may not agree with everything he does but you have to admit the man gets things done.

Cool and who pays the price? The sick, homeless, mentally challenged, women and children. That does not make him a hero in my books. A sleeze a deviate, the worst kind of slum lord imaginable. I see no need now to deprive these people, Klien does.

[blackice]

Well it appears Clark and Harper had it out today, the honeymoon is over.

Liberals for another term?

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Asher:

I think Klein's quote on "Eastern bums and creeps" will bury his campaign in a national election, even though the comment was somewhat misunderstood by most of the nation.

In all fairness, the Eastern Bums and creeps comment was taken out of context. He was talking about the increasing rate of eastern emigration to Alberta who were quite poor, but it was a poor way to say it to say the least.

Quebec is full of masochists, I fully expect them to keep electing Liberals or Bloc.
Harper insulted the Maritimes,

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51884

Are you wingnuts happy you voted liberal now (coughOntariocough). Boo!

Seems to me just in this limited O.T. we can find a few examples do I have to go to Hansards and or the local Alberta papers to show the readers here your BS?

Holy ****, you took that seriously? I suppose I don't use smilies enough?

Asher:

And he has a tendancy to go into a homeless shelter and tell them to get jobs.

I fail to see the humor, now to down play it and "claim" the Eastern media built it out of proportion.

You don't find it funny to have the mental image of a drunken premier telling drunk homeless people to go get jobs? Perhaps you've got one of those damn eastern senses of humor. They can't do anything right over there. (NOTE TO BLACKICE: THIS COMMENT IS NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AND IS WHAT WE CALL IN THE WEST A 'JOKE'. THANK YOU)

Sure they all do...Asher as many have said to you, every thread about Canada you have turned into a pro I am Alberta we are god, screw you we will not pay, you are all dumb we are smart, we do not share, we will separate, Trudeau blah blah blah tripe. Why not just start a thread an leave the rest on topic?

Excuse me, but Tingkai was the one who brought up the West (blaming us for Trudeau's actions in Quebec, of all things), so perhaps you should read the thread in full before making very, very stupid comments like that.

Nice to see you do read some post's I still fail to see what is so funny about it. Now tell me with all the billions why is there one child?

Why is there one child? I thought we had more than that. Don't most provinces have more than 1 child?

I have asked that several times, it appears obvious to me and others your focus is cash, wealth. Nationalism and the rest have no meaning to you. This is very shallow and represents the worst of what Canada is all about. If you separate does that hurt the Liberals or Canada?

If Alberta separates it helps the Liberals and hurts Canada. I don't see the point though, I'm not advocating Alberta's separation, I'm just going to move south and avoid the stupidity of Canadian politics and get a higher paying job to boot.

[Tingkai]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi-o!

Originally posted by Asher
Days have passed, and you bring it upon yourself with such blatantly stupid comments, get over it.

Still having a problem taking responsibility for your actions, eh.

You remind me of some of the criminals I saw while covering the courts. They were always blaming other people for their actions.

Give up the feeble excusess and lame insults, Asher. You're just digging yourself deeper into the ground.

If I had a fragile ego, I would have raced over to CG and posted flaming responses. That's not my style. If you and others feel the need to cry at another site then that's your choice. I won't give you the satisfaction of responding.

The funny thing is that if this happened to you, you'd be racing over to CG to scream and whine.

Any way, since you seem incapable of acknowleging your childish behaviour, I see no point in trying to show you the errors of your way.

So I'll let you have the last word on this subject, and I know you won't be able to resist having it.

Later days.

[Asher]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi-o!

Originally posted by Tingkai
Still having a problem taking responsibility for your actions, eh.

What, have I denied doing now or something?
I started a thread at CG which mocked an incredibly stupid comment a lefty made here. You'll notice I didn't even include your name or a link, and KrazyHorse was the one who named you. It was fully anonymous until that point. I even went out of my way not to name you by calling you "the other silly lefty".

You remind me of some of the criminals I saw while covering the courts. They were always blaming other people for their actions.

Who the hell am I blaming? What are you on, Tingkai? You've made one nonsensical comment after another for the past week...

Give up the feeble excusess and lame insults, Asher. You're just digging yourself deeper into the ground.

I'm not excusing anything, I'm not sorry for what I did and I shouldn't be. You were a moron, you were mocked, you cried and you *****ed and weeks later you're still visibly upset over it. Get over it, move on, not everyone in life is nice.

If I had a fragile ego, I would have raced over to CG and posted flaming responses.

I imagine you were so upset you were too busy crying to maintain enough composure to type.

The funny thing is that if this happened to you, you'd be racing over to CG to scream and whine.

Nonsense, I know people ***** about me on other sites all the time (search for your name on the other civ network sites), I just don't care. The people saying the stuff I'm not fond of to begin with, and I just don't care. It's simple really.

Any way, since you seem incapable of acknowleging your childish behaviour, I see no point in trying to show you the errors of your way.

So I'll let you have the last word on this subject, and I know you won't be able to resist having it.

Later days.

So very typical. For christ sake, man, I made a thread on the other site anonymously making fun of a stupid lefty remark someone else made, KrazyHorse names you, and suddenly I'm such an evil person you are upset about it days later?

Give me a break, Tingkai, or at least get a grip. Are you just hurting that more people don't think very highly of you than you originally thought? Get used to it, I know many people don't think highly of me, and that's why I feel so free to let loose on people sometimes.

And FYI, most threads on CG are just spam/joke threads, most comments aren't made to be taken seriously. Somewhere down the line that thread did become serious after KH named you, but that's a rarity and wasn't my intention.

PM me your address and I'll airmail you a box of kleenex.

[blackice]

In all fairness, the Eastern Bums and creeps comment was taken out of context. He was talking about the increasing rate of eastern emigration to Alberta who were quite poor, but it was a poor way to say it to say the least.

Yes god forbid the citizens of Canada exercise their legal right to move to the wealthiest province in Canada to find work.
Either way it smacks of the Alberta teachings I have been commenting on. Lack of tolerance, lack of national pride, selfishness and disdain for the poor. All courtesy of your Premier...Now tell me that does not rub off on young impressionable minds that look up to him there….

Holy ****, you took that seriously? I suppose I don't use smilies enough?

A 'JOKE'.

I do not think many people find it is as funny as you in fact I know of no one… But it does reinforce what you are truly all about…

stupid comments like that

The only thing stupid here is the fact you ignored my and countless other posters request’s to start an “We are God We are Albertan” thread and stick on topic in the rest. Taki was simply using it as an example.

Why is there one child? I thought we had more than that. Don't most provinces have more than 1 child?

I realize this to you is funny, I realize too as with the homeless you do not care. But it does reinforce what you are truly all about…

If Alberta separates it helps the Liberals and hurts Canada. I don't see the point though, I'm not advocating Alberta's separation,

It does? How does it help the liberals? You have said many times, an example would be the Kyoto agreement “we will separate” it will be the last straw etc…That is why I point out you unlike many Albertan’s are not very “Canadian”. In more ways than one, separation is not the way to get things done. Whining about NEP and Trudeau is not either. Riding the natural resources train and “claiming” to be superior to the rest does not do it either.

I'm just going to move south and avoid the stupidity of Canadian politics and get a higher paying job to boot.

That does so much for your stance here….

[Asher]

blackice: At one point people stop "being Canadian" for a blatantly ungrateful nation and suck it up and:
1) Move away
2) Join a separatist movement

#2 isn't very likely, so I chose #1. I have the luxury of that since I've got dual citizenship so Canada isn't my only nation.

The fact is, Alberta does, in general, have a very different view in politics than most of the rest of Canada. The fact is, this isn't going to change anytime soon. The fact is, as long as Alberta remains a minority, the current design of the Canadian federal government allows for them to ruthlessly trample the rights of the Canadians living in Alberta because they are just that -- a minority.

Right or wrong, that's how it is, and personally I'm not going to put up with it. Only three more years and I'm off to the sunny hills of northern California.

So you can take all of your high and mighty comments about how Albertans aren't being very nice when they complain about being abused and shove it, because nobody over here cares.

[blackice]

blackice: At one point people stop "being Canadian" for a blatantly ungrateful nation

Why because they do not vote like you do? Who is ungrateful? The Nation?
What dictatorial diatribe, you sound more like Klien with every post.

trample the rights of the Canadians living in Alberta because they are just that -- a minority.

Trample the rights? Oh ya Canadians are not suppose to move there I forgot it’s yours. You need to give your head a shake.

Only three more years and I'm off to the sunny hills of northern California.

Well I am sure using Canada’s free healthcare, educational system and all the other perks. Make you well qualified to get a job and leech the resources there for your own personal gain. Yup as I said you are the worst example of a Canadian. Truely you represent what is wrong with Canada...

It should be pretty obvious to most now.

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Why because they do not vote like you do? Who is ungrateful? The Nation?
What dictatorial diatribe, you sound more like Klien with every post.

I'm talking about a Prime Minister who refuses to do indepth studies about the reprecussions of Kyoto on the Alberta and Canadian economy in general now that the US has not signed it.
I'm talking about twatish comments (which came out of the blue) like Tingkai made earlier in the thread.
I'm talking about the stereotypes made by many people in the East of Albertans being intolerant hicks with no culture (which Tingkai once again demonstrated here).

Then you mix this with a feeling of being powerless federally, and is it any wonder that a lot of Albertans aren't very fond of the current system?

Trample the rights? Oh ya Canadians are not suppose to move there I forgot it’s yours. You need to give your head a shake.

I never said anything about restricting immigration.
It's just that in cases where the federal government signs papers and agrees to give Alberta the rights to some things, and suddenly they become very valuable and they want a share, so they rip up the agreement and trash everything in a pathetic attempt to make everything rosey in the whole nation -- and it backfired horribly.

Well I am sure using Canada’s free healthcare, educational system and all the other perks.

Don't get me started on Canada's "free" healthcare. When I lived in California I got MUCH better treatment MUCH faster and it was "free" with my dad's job. So I don't see that as an advantage.

Make you well qualified to get a job and leech the resources there for your own personal gain.

Well, considering that every year this family contributes well over $100K in taxes alone, I think this family has pulled its weight in Canada and wouldn't be considered as leeching. If Chretien and the Liberals don't want the talent to leave, perhaps they should rethink some of their strategies and policies. I'm not the only person studying computer science who intends go move south of the border as soon as they graduate, some people I know have already applied for working and living visas and H1-Bs...

Yup as I said you are the worst example of a Canadian. Truely you represent what is wrong with Canada...

It should be pretty obvious to most now.

Of course, I'm a bad Canadian. But perhaps you should look at this from my perspective:
I was born in the time of the NEP to a family who works in the oil industry.
Throughout the 80s and 90s I was in the province when it was given "subpar" treatment from Ottawa, and told by everyone else that long before I was born Alberta received the same aid so it's only fair. I accepted that. Then recently Chretien stopped even bothering to campaign here, has made comments about how westerners are weird and he doesn't like working with them, and just now refusing to do some real indepth studies on the ramifications of Kyoto -- and I've made my choice.

There's nothing for me to be proud of, there's no reason for me to stay. Rather than blaming me for being an uncanadian idiot, why don't you look at the policies of the federal politicians and see why this attitude is so widespread, participarly in my demographic? I'm not an isolated case.

But no, you won't believe it. You refuse to. Right now I bet you've already typed up your reply before you even see this comment. It's far easier to just dismiss Alberta's youth as a bunch of stupid whackos and try to toss them insults when they announce they've had it with this country. Surely nothing's wrong with the system, it's all those damn Albertans that screw everything up, right?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai

Originally posted by notyoueither

Ahhh geez. We are disliked by a bigot and a moron.

I'm crushed.

Ah, what a witty comment. And the great thing about NYE is his massive vocabulary. If you are going to try to insult someone, at least make it interesting. Repeatedly calling Blackice a bigot and a moron is boring.

It appears you are mistaken about something. Let me clear it up, bigot.

[KrazyHorse]

sigh

[KrazyHorse]

This is one can-pol thread that's actually gotten nasty, rather than being simply exuberant. I blame it on the fact that I haven't participated enough.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Frogger
This is one can-pol thread that's actually gotten nasty, rather than being simply exuberant. I blame it on the fact that I haven't participated enough.

The problem is clearly all of the Westerners having an opinion. Perhaps we should use federal funds to simply carpetbomb the west? How does that sound, Jean?