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**KrazyHorse** · August 23, 2002, 02:07

The worst thing he did was call out the War Powers Act in October 1970. He had no justification, he had no need, he had no right.

**KrazyHorse** · August 23, 2002, 02:09

Originally posted by Loif
Thanks. I don't speak a word of French.

You're supposed to be able to, if you went to school here...

**Tingkai** · August 23, 2002, 02:11

Originally posted by Frogger
The worst thing he did was call out the War Powers Act in October 1970. He had no justification, he had no need, he had no right.

But the West loved him for that. Keep them damm frenchies in their place.

**KrazyHorse** · August 23, 2002, 02:13

I know.

As a matter of fact, I also know someone who was arrested and released ~4 times in the space of 2 days because he was "suspicious" (he had a french accent and was attending an english uni)

**KrazyHorse** · August 23, 2002, 02:14

He pissed all over our civil rights and nobody cares. God knows the military presence is what finally solved the crisis.

**Tingkai** · August 23, 2002, 02:16

Well the West got their just desserts. They did nothing to oppose the suspension of basic rights in Quebec. Then a few years later, the old autocratic decides to take a share of the oil revenues.

**Loif** · August 23, 2002, 02:28

I took French in grade eight - I don't remember much of it at all to be honest. Most students do take French now, but will they actually use it? I think not. At least not out west. If we have to have a second language, why not Ukrainian? Why French? Because the majority of people who elect the PM are French, that's why.

Frogger, what the heck could the west have done when Trudeau did that? We don't count for much out here in the eyes of the PM. It's always been that way. We have no power at all in Ottawa. Sure enough though, they'll come and take our oil revenues away from us.

after edit: sorry, meant Tingkai, not Frogger.

**KrazyHorse** · August 23, 2002, 02:30

Because the majority of people who elect the PM are French, that's why

The majority of the people who elect the PM live in Ontario.

How about: because Canada has (rightfully) two official languages? Because if you ever want to work for the government you'll have to be reasonably proficient in both of them? Because we're part of the same country?

All are sufficient reasons.

**Loif** · August 23, 2002, 02:33

Right. Ontario and Quebec have the majority of the voting power. There is a large proportion of French speaking people in Ontario, don't you think? Obviously there is a different mindset regarding politics in the east than there is in the west.

**notyoueither** · August 23, 2002, 02:45

I do not begrudge the status of French. This country has a history after all, but...

You say the NEP is the West's fault because we didn't rebel when the War measures act was used? Are you trying to be insulting, or are you just a stupid jack ass?

**Seeker** · August 23, 2002, 06:38

Why should ordinary, non-federally employed British Columbians be forced to study French?

It's not part of their social, cultural, or economic milieu (damn frenchies).

Why not Cantonese? Or some of the East Indian languages?

It's only because of Central Canadian arrogance and imperialism.

**Richelieu** · August 23, 2002, 07:28

Originally posted by Seeker
Why should ordinary, non-federally employed British Columbians be forced to study French?

It's not part of their social, cultural, or economic milieu (damn frenchies).

Why not Cantonese? Or some of the East Indian languages?

It's only because of Central Canadian arrogance and imperialism.

It is part of their social, cultural, or economic milieu (damn frenchies). This is a bilingual country. French and English. Equal. Get it ?
Le pire dans ce genre d'arguments c'est que la plupart du temps je suis celui qui se fait traiter comme si je n'étais pas un vrai Canadien... par des gens qui, non seulement ne voient pas la nécessité d'apprendre le français, mais en plus tentent de faire en sorte qu'en dehors du Québec on ne parle qu'anglais...

**Loif** · August 23, 2002, 17:00

So why is it then, when one visits Quebec that all signs are in French, not English? Everywhere else in the country signs are in French AND English. Do I sense a little bit of hypocriscy here?

**blackice** · August 23, 2002, 20:03

On top of that laws which make it illegal to post signs in English...

**Tingkai** · August 23, 2002, 23:59

Originally posted by Loif
Frogger, what the heck could the west have done when Trudeau did that? We don't count for much out here in the eyes of the PM. It's always been that way. We have no power at all in Ottawa. Sure enough though, they'll come and take our oil revenues away from us.

after edit: sorry, meant Tingkai, not Frogger.

It's like that old saying about when they came for the jews I did noting... (although obviously this is an extreme comparison).

When the War Measures Act was enacted, people outside of Quebec made no major objections. They let PET get away with it and they elected back into power. He then put in wage and price controls, and then after another election, the NEP.

Of course, people in Quebec were equally to blame for voting for Trudeau

To say the West couldn't do anything is a cop-out. Westerners can vote just like everyone else.

EDIT: My main point is that when PET enacted the War Measures Act, most people supported him. Quebecers who complained about their loss of liberty were seen as whiners.

The War Measures Act was a warning of what later followed, but the warning was ignored.

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