Chrétien to step down

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Loif
So why is it then, when one visits Quebec that all signs are in French, not English? Everywhere else in the country signs are in French AND English. Do I sense a little bit of hypocriscy here?

Things must have changed recently because I can't recall ever seeing bilingual signs in the west, except on Federal buildings.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai
To say the West couldn't do anything is a cop-out. Westerners can vote just like everyone else.

I guess the answer would be stupid jack ass. The people most effected by PET and the NEP had been, and have been electing anybody other than Liberals for a very long time. What does that do for your spew of bigotry?

Try again.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai


It's like that old saying about when they came for the jews I did noting... (although obviously this is an extreme comparison).

When the War Measures Act was enacted, people outside of Quebec made no major objections. They let PET get away with it and they elected back into power. He then put in wage and price controls, and then after another election, the NEP.

Of course, people in Quebec were equally to blame for voting for Trudeau

To say the West couldn't do anything is a cop-out. Westerners can vote just like everyone else.

EDIT: My main point is that when PET enacted the War Measures Act, most people supported him. Quebecers who complained about their loss of liberty were seen as whiners.

The War Measures Act was a warning of what later followed, but the warning was ignored.

Quoted to be preserved for posterity. *S*******

That's rich. Comparing the actions of a democratically elected governement in [the] crushing of an armed insurrection by a fringe of nut jobs with the Holocaust. LMAO.

I think Godwin must be watching.

[Loif]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Things must have changed recently because I can't recall ever seeing bilingual signs in the west, except on Federal buildings.

In the rest of Canada (outside of Quebec) signs are written in English and French. In Quebec, most signs are written in French and where English signs are allowed, the French has to be written larger. How does this make sense? Is someone better than someone else if they speak French? I don't understand that thinking. We're all from the same country, so we should all be treated equally.

And as for saying that Westerners can vote, you're right, we can. Think about it though. The majority of Liberals live in Ontario and Quebec. This is also where the majority of the population of Canada lives. Geez, I wonder why the freaking Liberals keep getting elected?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
That's rich. Comparing the actions of a democratically elected governement in [the] crushing of an armed insurrection by a fringe of nut jobs with the Holocaust. LMAO.

You obviously have problems reading since you miss the part that said "although obviously this is an extreme comparison."

[Loif]

Why compare them at all then?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
The people most effected by PET and the NEP had been, and have been electing anybody other than Liberals for a very long time.

Oh yeah, here's the typical western whine. If you knew anything about PET's time in office you would know that his policies affected all Canadians.

The Quebecers got hit with the War Measures Act, not the west.

Everyone got hit by wage and price controls.

All of us are paying for the Liberal overspending during the Trudeau years, and for that matter the massive overspending during the conservative governments.

You should learn your history before you start insulting people.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Loif
In the rest of Canada (outside of Quebec) signs are written in English and French. In Quebec, most signs are written in French and where English signs are allowed, the French has to be written larger. How does this make sense? Is someone better than someone else if they speak French? I don't understand that thinking. We're all from the same country, so we should all be treated equally.

And as for saying that Westerners can vote, you're right, we can. Think about it though. The majority of Liberals live in Ontario and Quebec. This is also where the majority of the population of Canada lives. Geez, I wonder why the freaking Liberals keep getting elected?

I agree that the Quebec language laws are stupid, as do many Quebecers. But to claim that signs in the rest of Canada are bilingual is a fair bit of a stretch.

As for voting, the west hasn't figured have to vote politically. they keep creating fringe parties and voting for these fringe parties that have no chance of forming a government. When they do vote in a government, they help to destroy the government (e.g. the PCs).

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Loif
Why compare them at all then?

It's called an analogy.

[Loif]

Originally posted by Tingkai


I agree that the Quebec language laws are stupid, as do many Quebecers. But to claim that signs in the rest of Canada are bilingual is a fair bit of a stretch.

As for voting, the west hasn't figured have to vote politically. they keep creating fringe parties and voting for these fringe parties that have no chance of forming a government. When they do vote in a government, they help to destroy the government (e.g. the PCs).

So now you're saying the official opposition party is a "fringe party". You do know that the Alliance Party was born from the ideas of the Reform movement, which started in the west, right? Calgary to be exact. With Manning as the leader.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Loif
So now you're saying the official opposition party is a "fringe party". You do know that the Alliance Party was born from the ideas of the Reform movement, which started in the west, right? Calgary to be exact. With Manning as the leader. That's the problem with Easterners. They don't know anything about the country west of Toronto.

If you're going to respond, you should read the message.

I wrote that Westerners keep creating fringe parties, e.g. the Reform Party (and I may be mistaken, but I believe the first Reform Party convention was in Winnipeg).

And yes, the Reform Party was a fringe party. The majority of its support was confined to BC and Alberta. The Canadian Alliance has yet to gain significant support outside of BC and Alberta.

The fact that they are the official opposition doesn't mean anything. The BQ are a fringe party and they were the official opposition at one point.

What the Reform/CA has done is split the right wing vote allowing the Liberals to stay in power. If Westerners had been smart, they would stayed true to the PCs, working within the party to get what they wanted, rather than creating a regional party.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Oh yeah, here's the typical western whine. If you knew anything about PET's time in office you would know that his policies affected all Canadians.

The Quebecers got hit with the War Measures Act, not the west.

Everyone got hit by wage and price controls.

All of us are paying for the Liberal overspending during the Trudeau years, and for that matter the massive overspending during the conservative governments.

You should learn your history before you start insulting people.

You sir, are a bigot. I stuff your argument down your throat, you come back with some lame ass attempt to say that I am just some Westerner whining.

As far as history is concerned sir, maybe if you picked your head out your ass you'd know something about it. However, you have already discredited your knowledge of the history of Canada a great deal. Maybe it's time to move on to some other country a little less vast, and a little easier to cram into the one right view you seem to value so highly.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither


You sir, are a bigot. I stuff your argument down your throat, you come back with some lame ass attempt to say that I am just some Westerner whining.

As far as history is concerned sir, maybe if you picked your head out your ass you'd know something about it. However, you have already discredited your knowledge of the history of Canada a great deal. Maybe it's time to move on to some other country a little less vast, and a little easier to cram into the one right view you seem to value so highly.

You said nothing in this other than pointless insults. Just hot air. Come back when you have something meaningful to say.

[notyoueither]

No, I think many people will enjoy it. Maybe not you, but then the unwilling clown is usually not amused by the laughter.

And you're still a bigot.

[Tingkai]

Nye: Just because you repeatedly call someone a bigot, doesn't make them a bigot. This is all too typical of you. You go around labelling people without providing an ounce of evidence to support that label. (And you won't be able to find any evidence.)

You're also dillusional. The only troll here is you. While eveyone else has been discussing the issues, all of the posts from NYE have been just filled with insults.

Far too many Westerns love portraying themselves as powerless, downtrodden and at the mercy of the East, but is simply a myth maintained in order to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.

Let's look at some facts that will destroy the myth that Westerners don't have any political power in Canada.

In 1979, the Conservatives form a minority government with a Western leader. The government falls after failing to get support from the Socreds, a party created in the West.

In 1984 and 1988, the conservatives are elected with massive majorities. Westerners respond by creating a splinter right-wing party.

The Reform Party/CA, both created in the west, splits the right wing vote allowing the Liberals to come up the middle and win numerous seats throughout Ontario and the West in the 1990s.

Western right-wingers are responsible for the split in the right wing and that split is why the Liberals are in power.

The idea that Quebec has enormous political power was true years ago when when winning the province was almost a guarantee for forming a government. But it is no longer true because the Quebec vote is split between the Liberals and the BQ.