Chrétien to step down

[blackice]

http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSTrudeauNews/edmreax-sun.html

"Schoolchildren in Alberta were raised to believe that NEP was a four-letter word," recalls Senator Nick Taylor, who, at that time, had the difficult task of leading the provincial Liberals.

Yes you were Asher and still are, remmeber I was there.

Western Canada blamed the NEP for the collapse of the greatest boom Alberta had ever known. But Taylor points out it wasn't Trudeau who was responsible for the eventual drop in world oil prices that decimated the industry.

Most people know this but Albertans denial is obvious.

[blackice]

Here's some fun facts for you to deal with:

Asher I do not read your governments propaganda, go the the auditor generals report. Most if not all the crap klien government puts up is pure turd. No different here in Ontario, it is not fact it is governemnt BS. It proves nothing and says nothing.

[Asher]

What a very smooth transition. After one argument is blatantly shot down, ten new ones sprout up.

I don't have the energy for this right now. Keep spewing your anti-Albertan rhetoric, but you should know that by now only a complete and utter fool would believe anything that comes out of your mouth.

BTW, you tried your selective quoting method again. From that very same article:

"The (oil) industry literally shut down overnight. Hundreds of Alberta companies went bankrupt because of that."

The vice-president of global energy for the Canadian Energy Research Institute agrees that Trudeau's program was harsh on Alberta's oil industry.

"He thought that the wealth created by having access to low-cost resources should be shared across the country," said Judith Dwarkin.

"There was a big wealth transfer out of Alberta, and that was of considerable distress to both the private and public sector here."

The program was not phased out until world oil prices dropped and a Conservative government came to power in 1984.

Oil prices worldwide dropped largely after the NEP already trashed the economy, it was adding insult to injury.

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice

Here's some fun facts for you to deal with:

Asher I do not read your governments propaganda, go the the auditor generals report. Most if not all the crap klien government puts up is pure turd. No different here in Ontario, it is not fact it is governemnt BS. It proves nothing and says nothing.

The wage figures are from the GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, the other figures are from the government of Alberta.

I find it very odd that you have cited the City of Calgary's webpage in the past, but as soon as Government of Alberta facts and statistics blatantly fly in the face of whatever you're spouting off about, it's suddenly not a reliable source.

Totally clueless.

[Asher]

More for you to toss aside because it disagrees with what you said and is therefore propaganda

http://www.alberta-canada.com/economy/ablab.cfm

Average Weekly Manufacturing Wages, 1999


compensation board premiums per $100 per paycheck


These also don't take into account the lack of a provincial sales tax in Alberta and the lower provincial taxes overall.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/indepth/71-005/feature/lfhi2000004002s1a.htm

Weekly wages rose the most in Ontario and Alberta.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/000724/d000724b.htm

Hourly wages rose 4.0% in Alberta, the strongest growth rate among the provinces. Weekly wages increased fastest in both Alberta and Ontario, (+3.6%).

Are these all lies?

[blackice]

anti-Albertan rhetoric

Not, it is the facts butthead obviously you have a hard time with them.

You lost go away now

City of Calgary>Alberta government humm two different things Asher obviously.

Yes that man did say that it was his opinion, short term pain long term gains. The NEP also gave Alberta and Canada the backward linkages associated with the petrolium industry. Up until them the Americans got it. I really do not think you have a clue what and why the NEP was brought in or what possitive changes it made that today you reap the benifits of. No I know you don't have a clue.

[Asher]

I do know what and why the NEP was brought in, and I also do know that it didn't do what it was intended to do. It did increase the marketshare of Canadian presense in the field, but only because it drove away American interests. Stuff like Petro-Canada is good and I agree with, but it's VERY clear Trudeau didn't have any ****ing idea what he was doing economically.

But hey, what would I know about the NEP's current "benefits" to Alberta? I only live here and am in a family of people who work high up in the oil industry, it's not like THEY know anything about it. Hell, even all of these Economics PhDs are blatantly wrong because blackice said so.

The NEP did some good things, but for every good thing there were more bad things. Its net effect was an economic and political disaster, despite what you and a former Liberal Senator Taylor think about it.

I would also appreciate you just admit you have no idea what you're talking about with Alberta's wages, since they're considerably above average nationwide and minimum wage jobs are extremely rare in such a healthy economy like this.

And BTW, why is it okay for you to link to a munincipal government of the most conservative city in Canada's webpage but it's not acceptable for me to link to the Government of Alberta's webpage? It's an obvious double standard and an obvious attempt for you to ignore and dismiss anything you don't agree with. It's probably why you're so horribly misguided on just about every issue right now, but wish to believe it's everyone else who is wrong...

[blackice]

more meangless diatribe give it up Asher you toatlly hopeless. I am sure the service sector gets $20.00 per hour right

[Asher]

And that has officially signaled the end of this debate.

[Asher]

Case closed!

[blackice]

See ya

Now back to on topic optimus2861 the CBC peice is on going. We are hearing more and more of this everyday. Cretien will have to come up with a real good deal to stay on as the head dictator.

PC's do well out here but lets face it they slapped a lot of people around too. Reform is a western party they have some good ideas but others are just plain stupid. The east will not see a single Reform vote IMHO. I do see more Liberal votes for BC though.

[blackice]

Asher look at the changed government rules in applying for Welfare your answer. That is also why there are more people living in poverty.

You really do not know how it works, you know why?
because you live at home sheltered from reality as someone foots your bill.

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Asher look at the changed government rules in applying for Welfare your answer. That is also why there are more people living in poverty.

You really do not know how it works, you know why?
because you live at home sheltered from reality as someone foots your bill.

I edited it out because I knew you would say that anyway.

The fact is according to StatsCan there are less people living in poverty in Alberta than the national average, and the average wages in Alberta are above the national average, so all of your whining about it just boggles my mind and is just typical of anti-Albertan rhetoric which is so prevalent in Canadian society but no one seems to care.

There. Now we're done. Continue whining about how Albertans are going to kill everyone or whatever.

[notyoueither]

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[blackice]

I edited it out because I knew you would say that anyway.

In other words the Alberta government bs was quickly tossed out by you once your google search clued you in.

average wages in Alberta are above the national average

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*link* Not Alberta government a good one. This is bunk too and you know it.

The fact is according to StatsCan there are less people living in poverty in Alberta than the national average

1% wooho and Alberta is what 400 times more wealthy than the national average. Hey you get bragging rights Weakest point the two fools have made yet.

so all of your whining about it just boggles my mind and is just typical of anti-Albertan rhetoric which is so prevalent in Canadian society but no one seems to care.

Whining? Anti-Alberta love the place, you don't your out of here as soon as your schooling is over. Seems to me you should quit while your behind. Facts are facts cry boy, if you can not handle it knit.

Now we're done.

Four time you have said this

Bye?

So what do you think the chances of Martin getting western votes?