Chrétien to step down

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
You're not saving the earth, you're going to hurt Canada's economy -- most specifically, Alberta's.

Actually... I don't think Ontario is too impressed either, which is why in the long run, it is a dead issue.

I don't think a lame duck PM can wield the whip in a ruthless enough fashion for 100 MPs from Ontario to be willing to cut the the throats of their own constituents.

[blackice]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And no, trolling is not lost on me. I enjoy watching, and even participating in a good troll.

Only, bigotry and lying are not trolling. They are reviled for good reason.

Well then stop doing it and I then can stop pointing it out, for good reason.

People can go through the link, see the posts, and make their own minds up.

Good cop out...

[notyoueither]

I'm not trolling you blackice. I'm calling you a twot. I'm very serious.

No cop out involved.

[notyoueither]

Or maybe, bigot and liar would be more accurate.

[blackice]

Do you truly believe that Albertans hate the east?

Some obviously do.
As for the rest do you hear the East ramming the NOP down your throat endlessly? Do the politicians here blame the feds and the west for everything to get elected? I really do not think you get what I am talking about. Just read back on your threads and you'll see what I mean. Disinformation, proaganda, decades old policices from long dead prime ministers. Hummm I guess you just learned this on the street?

I lived there for a very long time Asher, you might as well say I grew up there. I saw what is crammed down people throats out there I lived it. Twenty years later you a kid slap out the same crap. What your born that way?

They've basically written off Alberta

I don't think so I think Alberta politics has done more harm to the Alberta image than any thing else.

But now it'll be devastating for Canada.

What is devastating for canada is more money is pumped into traffic deaths each year. While it is estimated that 10,000 people will die in Onatrio alone from polution related illnesses.

[blackice]

Or maybe, bigot and liar would be more accurate.

You call someone raised in Alberta a bigot?
I like Alberta and I like some of the people, the ones I know I like. Klien is a flake and the constant whinners are annoying yes.

Again show me where I have lied, third time I have asked yo to back up your claim. You can't or you would have. The reason you can't is because I have not lied. That makes your inept trolling too obvious.

Seems to me you have nothing to say and have become a flake in this thread.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Who lies blackice?

Copied from that 'other' thread.

MattHiggs wrong guy but nice try, it is no wonder people do not like you. Very easy to see why.

Look they started the BS club of disinformation to make themselves look more important then they are. Flakes.

You are amasing.

The link is earlier in the thread. The posts in question are there. For the second time.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by blackice

Or maybe, bigot and liar would be more accurate.

You call someone raised in Alberta a bigot?
I like Alberta and I like some of the people, the ones I know I like. Klien is a flake and the constant whinners are annoying yes.

How am I to believe this?

At any rate... You are correct, but everyone else out here is wrong? Very interesting.

[blackice]

So, Alberta is all about hating Chretien and the East?

On such ignorant generalisations are bigotry founded.

You tell me, seems to me thats all that Albertans post you?
So it would seem Klien and a few other premiers out there did a got job with the propaganda.

So much for your ignorant generalisations and bigotry.

The link is earlier in the thread. The posts in question are there. For the second time.

What did I lie about in that thread or that post?
Second time I have asked you that.

Quit trolling you are just bad at it period. I have an Idea contribute something to the thread

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Some obviously do.
As for the rest do you hear the East ramming the NOP down your throat endlessly? Do the politicians here blame the feds and the west for everything to get elected?

The politicians here don't blame the east for everything to get elected to. It's just that in the cases where Ottawa has stepped in, and clearly screwed up things, that we blame Ottawa. If Ottawa doesn't want to be blamed, perhaps they shouldn't do really stupid things that cripple our economy? Just a thought.

I really do not think you get what I am talking about. Just read back on your threads and you'll see what I mean. Disinformation, proaganda, decades old policices from long dead prime ministers. Hummm I guess you just learned this on the street?

The only disinformation and propaganda I see here is from you and Tingkai.

I saw what is crammed down people throats out there I lived it. Twenty years later you a kid slap out the same crap. What your born that way?

I grew up in an oil family. My dad was in charge of distributing hundreds of pink slips himself in the 80s as a direct result of Trudeau's policy, which you sit and try to actually say was WORKING until Mulroney "screwed it up".

Did you work in the oil industry when you lived here, or was this when you were sniffing glue at the BASF factory pretending to be an executive?

I've read all about it. I've seen the graphs of inflation, recession, and unemployment from the period as a direct result of the NEP in economics classes in college, and I've heard many stories about it from people who have lived through it first hand in the oil industry. There is a REASON why it was hated so very much here, you almost make it seem like Albertans were bored and thought it'd be fun to really hate Liberals and Trudeau.

The NEP is literally a textbook case in international economic textbooks now for what NOT to do. Despite its "good intentions", its outcome was horrible for the most part.

I don't think so I think Alberta politics has done more harm to the Alberta image than any thing else.

This isn't about Alberta image, it's about Chretien and his Liberal party openly not giving a damn about this province's interests. It frustrates the hell out of the local Liberal politicians.

What is devastating for canada is more money is pumped into traffic deaths each year. While it is estimated that 10,000 people will die in Onatrio alone from polution related illnesses.

Canada accounts for 2% of the greenhouse gases, total. If we stopped polluting ALTOGETHER, there would be 2% less in the world. You think that'll help? Particularly since that 2% we reduce will just move south and pollute the same from the US ANYWAY?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by blackice

The link is earlier in the thread. The posts in question are there. For the second time.

What did I lie about in that thread or that post?
Second time I have asked you that.

Quit trolling you are just bad at it period. I have an Idea contribute something to the thread

You lied about your own identity. Perhaps so you could skate past the opinions others already have about you? I don't know. I don't care.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by blackice

So, Alberta is all about hating Chretien and the East?

On such ignorant generalisations are bigotry founded.

You tell me, seems to me thats all that Albertans post you?
So it would seem Klien and a few other premiers out there did a got job with the propaganda.

So much for your ignorant generalisations and bigotry.

Yah, I guess so. I guess Lougheed, Getty, and Klein managed to brain wash the Canadian Press also.

I guess they brain washed the economists and political scientists at the Universities of Calgary and Alberta as well.

I guess, they brain washed Sun Publishing too. Aren't they hq'ed in Toronto?

They brain washed all the people who lost their jobs when the drilling rigs moved south of the border.

They brain washed all the people who had their homes foreclosed on by the banks.

They brain washed the 5 chartered banks who withdrew capital from the province and called many loans to cut back on exposure.

Everybody is brain washed, except you. Maybe your mad typing skillz provided you some immunity.

[blackice]

The only disinformation and propaganda I see here is from you and Tingkai.

Care to back that up with proof?

I grew up in an oil family. My dad was in charge of distributing hundreds of pink slips himself in the 80s as a direct result of Trudeau's policy, which you sit and try to actually say was WORKING until Mulroney "screwed it up".

You seem to miss the big picture, not surprising though you have a narrow view of things. How many pink slips were being handed out in the East because of the economy? How many more people would have lost thier jobs out here if it were not for the NEP. Canada would have faired way worse as a nation. But of course lets talk about Alberta.

The world economy was crap at the time but you go ahead and blame one man and one policy. Ah yes and your premiers did so much with capping the wells and stopping production. Part of a picture does not tell the whole story it's called propaganda and lies. This is what Taki and I dispise. Tell the whole story, the facts, talk about it as a nation not just you.

[/q]Did you work in the oil industry when you lived here, or was this when you were sniffing glue at the BASF factory pretending to be an executive?[/q]

No I moved to Alberta and got a job there were no jobs here at all.
The economy out here was worse than Alberta's at the time. History flake look it up before you act like you know everything.
I did not sit in my mom's house pulling my pud thinking I know it all.

This isn't about Alberta image, it's about Chretien and his Liberal party openly not giving a damn about this province's interests. It frustrates the hell out of the local Liberal politicians.

Well it appears Ontario and Alberta have something in common...
Of course lets just think of Alberta

Canada accounts for 2% of the greenhouse gases, total. If we stopped polluting ALTOGETHER, there would be 2% less in the world. You think that'll help? Particularly since that 2% we reduce will just move south and pollute the same from the US ANYWAY?

You really do not care about people do you? You cite numbers and gases.
10,000 people die in Ontario alone, this simply does not impress you does it. After all money is more important than lives right?

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
You seem to miss the big picture, not surprising though you have a narrow view of things. How many pink slips were being handed out in the East because of the economy? How many more people would have lost thier jobs out here if it were not for the NEP. Canada would have faired way worse as a nation. But of course lets talk about Alberta.

How do you figure Canada would have been worse off? What happened in Alberta was far more severe than a simple recession that the rest of the world was dealing with. The industry that the entire economy at the time was based on was ripped from underneath, slapped with a far below market price cap, and foreign investment was strongly discouraged, ON TOP of a recession.

The "big picture" is there were minimal gains in Ontario as they got really really cheap oil AS WELL as a huge chunk of the oil royalties promised to Alberta in 1932. The "big picture" is a huge, HUGE loss in Alberta and a "lesser" loss due to a global recession in Ontario. It's NOT WORTH IT. Which is why it's taught in economics in colleges now, because it's a "nono".

The world economy was crap at the time but you go ahead and blame one man and one policy.

One man and one policy amplified the problem. The analogy my econ prof used in college was it was like using a magnifying glass in the sun. The sunbeam became so concentrated on one part, which in this case would have been Alberta. Alberta was full of all those wackey conservatives that don't vote for the liberals anyway, what did they have to lose by funneling money out of the province (which was promised earlier to go to that province) as well as slapping below-market price caps on their products?

The problem WAS one man and his policy, the global economic recession was tiny in comparison.

The economy out here was worse than Alberta's at the time. History flake look it up before you act like you know everything.

It was worse than Alberta's at the time, but as soon as the NEP hit, Alberta's unemployment was 3-4x higher than Ontarios, when it used to be about half.

Look it up yourself, I'm staring at the graph in my econ textbook right now.

You really do not care about people do you? You cite numbers and gases.
10,000 people die in Ontario alone, this simply does not impress you does it. After all money is more important than lives right?

You've tried to pull this **** before.
Since the US did not sign Kyoto, all of the "reduction" Canada is doing is from the businesses moving 100km south of the border where there is no Kyoto.

It's. That. Simple.

I don't know why you even tried to turn this into "you don't care about people" -- I'm not the one who ****ed up the Kyoto accord so developing nations don't need to abide by it, and I'm not the one who forced the US not to sign it. The fact is, there will be no reduction from Canada, just the transistion of Canadian businesses affected by it 100km south to the US. Simple.

[blackice]

MattHiggs:

Oh my God, I think I just remembered something. You are that guy that got the divorce aren't you? The one that hates women and is bitter and twisted.

notyoueither:

Bingo.

Blackice:

MattHiggs wrong guy but nice try, it is no wonder people do not like you. Very easy to see why.

Look they started the BS club of disinformation to make themselves look more important then they are. Flakes.

notyoueither:

Summary. No, I am not the **** you think I am. Lies too. Original.

Blackice:

For instance find one comment by me that I say I hate women...
Good luck that old ruse went out with the last flake.

notyoueither:

No blackice, no quotes hating women, to the contrary actually.

I called you on the lie and you admitted it was not true.
Now you come here and post the half truth and continue to claim I lied even though you know it was you and you admitted to it. You then go on with the "you hate Albertans" mantra which is a lie also. No I do not I have said that many times.

Flake and extremely bad trolling.