Who made the pyramids. They must have been smarter than us!

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by our_man
Bah, the pyramids! What about Newgrange - where light shines in through a small aperture on the morning of the Winter Solstice to illuminate the tomb. Now that's ancient ingenuity.

That's hardly rocket science. All you'd need to sort that out is a couple of marking stones and a stick with notches cut in it.

Aliens. Definitely aliens.

[Dan Severn]

Stupid ancient people.

They didn't have striped toothpaste, or electricity with which to power their sex toys...

[JohnT]

I'm still waiting to see how Nan's Midol fits in with the current subject, Lars.

[Bosh]

an exerpt from Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco:

"Gentlemen," he said, "I invite you to go and measure that kiosk. You will see that the length of the counter is one hundred and forty-nine centimeters -- in other words, one hundred-billionth of the distance between the earth and the sun. The height at the rear, one hundred and seventy-six centimeters, divided by the width of the window, fifty-six centimeters, is 3.14. The height at the front is nineteen decimeters, equal, in other words, to the number of years of the Greek lunar cycle. The sum of the heights of the two front corners and the two rear corners is one hundred and ninety times two plus one hundred seventy-six times two, which equals seven hundred and thirty-two, the date of the victory at Poitiers. The thickness of the counter is 3.10 centimeters, and the width of the cornice of the window is 8.8 centimeters. Replacing the numbers before the decimals by the corresponding letters of the alphabet, we obtain C for ten and H for eight, or C10H8, which is the formula for naphthalene."

"Fantastic," I said. "You did all these measurements?"

"No," Aglie said. "They were done on another kiosk, by a certain Jean-Pierre Adam. But I would assume that all lottery kiosks have more or less the same dimensions. With numbers you can do anything you like. Suppose I have the sacred number 9 and I want to get the number 1314, date of the execution of Jacques de Molay -- a date dear to anyone who, like me, professes devotion to the Templar tradition of knighthood. What do I do? Multiply nine by one hundred and forty six, the fateful day of the destruction of Carthage. How did I arrive at this? I divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by two, by three, et cetera, until I found a satisfying date. I could also have divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by 6.28, the double of 3.14, and I would have got two hundred and nine. That is the year in which Attalus I, king of Pergamon, joined the anti-Macedonian League. You see?

[King of Rasslin]

If we had the technology the Eygptians had today, we couldn't make the pyramids. So, yes, they were smarter than we are.

[Berzerker]

- The pyramid of Cheops is located exactly in the center of the geographic earth. (the landmass)

I *think* they mean the place with exactly as much distance to the most western landmass (Alaska) as to the eastern landmass (East-russia) as to the North (Scandinavia) as to the South (Sout America?)

Then it would have to be nearer to the equator.

Most land is north of the equator, so the geographic center is also north of the equator. Look at a map of the world and try to visualize the geographic center if all the land masses were gathered together using the meridian as the other axis.

I think they mean the meridian, that goes over land for the longest distance without crossing any sea. (East See, Black See, Gulf, etc.)

It passes over the Mediteranean so its wrong. If water counts then the Americas go farther north and farther south. If water stops the projection than its still wrong.

Cybershy got that wrong, crossing over water is allowed, but the meridian upon which the Pyramids sit crosses the most land.

According to a study (Charles Hapgood, "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings") of the Piri Re'is map, the geographic center of the map is Alexandria, Egypt. That was the location the researchers concluded was the focal point from which the mapmaker centered that part of the world appearing on the map. Btw, Piri Re'is (the map is dated 1519 I think) said Columbus had a copy of the same map for his voyages. That would explain why Columbus mistook the New World for the East Indies when the elite already knew the circumfrence of the world with adequate accuracy. Another oddity, the map of Fineas Orentius of 1532 shows Antarctica in it's entirety, not just the coastline, but features far inland - a continent supposedly not discovered for another 2 to 3 centuries. The Piri Re'is map also shows part of Antarctica.

As for the Great Pyramid being built by Cheops, well, that was based on a Col. Vyse's claim to have found the name Cheops/Khufu in one of the hidden antechambers above the Great Gallery and King's Chamber. The problem with Vyse's claim is that the hieroglyphs used for Khufu were inaccurate, but just happened to match hieroglyphs used in a book on Egyptian hieroglyphics published just a couple years before Vyse made his "discovery". Read Zecharia Sitchin's "The Stairway to Heaven" for an in depth exposure of Vyse and his shenanigans.

Another egyptologist named Marriette found a stele (the Inventory Stele) near the Sphinx a few years later after Vyse's work and was discounted as an ancient fraud since it contradicted Vyse and what egyptologists believed at the time. The stele was a 1st Millenium bc copy of a more ancient stele possibly written by Khufu upon which Khufu (or his scribes of course) referred to the Sphinx as the Guardian of the Temple of Isis, the ancient name for the Great Pyramid. The problem here is that Khufu was indicating that the Sphinx existed in the time of the Great Pyramid, a claim that contradicts modern egypologist's claims that Khufus second son built the Sphinx when he was supposedly building the second pyramid at Giza. Just one more point, geologic studies of weathering patterns on the Spinx are casting doubt on it's age. The weathering of the Sphinx and it's enclosure appear to be caused by rain while other walls at Giza supposedly of the same age were mainly eroded by wind. Paleo-climatologists claim rainfall was more plentiful a few thousand years before the ~2650 bc age for the Pyramids and Sphinx.

The Sphinx - a lion's body - was a marker for the Vernal Equinox (the determinant for "ages" caused by precession) when we were in the "Age" of Leo 10,500 to 12,500 BC. The head of the Sphinx, now that of a man, may have once been the head of a woman - Virgo "the Virgin". I believe the Sphinx marked the transition from the age of Leo to the age of Virgo around 12,500 years ago. OR, it is possible the Sphinx marked the Vernal Equinox when precession resulted in the southernmost travel of the constellations in the night sky. As precession occurs, the 12 constellations of the Zodiac not only take turns rising on the Vernal Equinox over a ~26,000 year cycle, but the Earth's wobble causes the night sky to shift north and south. About 12,500 years ago, Orion was at it's lowest (southernmost) point in the sky. Another possibility, according to the Tlingit of Alaska, the Great Flood occured ~14,000 years ago. That's ~12,000 BC - the age of Leo (I think). The Sphinx may have marked the flooding at the end of the last ice advance, flooding that submerged much of the inhabited world at the time.

[Cocapsi]

"- The pyramid of Cheops is located exactly in the center of the geographic earth. (the landmass)"

What it means is, if u draw a horizonal & vertical line intersecting at pyramid, the whole world map is divided into 4 pieces of squares.. each square has equal area of land mass (just land, no water here). I read it somewhere too..
Pyramid of Giza got some astonishing facts, perhaps coincidence but how far a concidence alone can keep scientists guessing lol.. The great pyramid and its surrounding smaller ones EXACTLY represents the Orion belt of stars.. hmm im not going to say that they were built by Aliens as a landing spot though..
If you lay all the stones in a line, from pyramids, it will span 2/3 of the length of the earth diameter (!!!) How can a civ that old can gather than much stone and built it on plain mass of land where, no craters were reported near by?
"Pi" is an important mathematical symbol for symmetrical structures.. only by 17th century, we found the value of "pi" upto 3 decimals.. but if you divide the perimeter of Giza pyd by its height, it equates to pi of 6 decimals .. now do you think those ppl who even dont have modern cranes, can built it that accurately? (Slaves can move it, but how precise can you put on a location so important geographically). And h.ell, egyptians preserved, wrote everything inside pyramid.. they just missed out how they built them.
As this theory goes this way.. sumerian records on astronomy too was unbelievable.. they have mentioned that "Annukari" helped them a lot. Ancient Sumerian translates it into ppl who came from heaven. It was believed that once in 3500yrs, a 12th planet comes in vicinity of our universe (they counted sun, moon as planets too) and made a perfect total universal eclipse.
They even had records of getting to their space ship and retuned back.. though not that accurately put on words. According to them, 2013AD will see Annukari back to earth.
Some theory even says that God helped ppl to build pyramids.. but bible never have mentioned abt it.. King James of England, while translating the bible, saw to that no commoners can comprehend or question about it.. he thought ppl should study bible on thru church priests.. later he was accused of mistranslating some specific events.. one instance is, "Nephilm". Genesis 6 tells us that Gaints lived with us in those days.. Hebrew translation of Nephilm is "ppl who came from heaven". Also, the reason why God decided to save Noah, was that his family was untouched genetically by Nephilms (fallen angels/aliens?) but that wasnt mentioned in english verion or any subsequent version of bible, from King James period. When God ordered ppl of Israel to destroy some specific communities b4 entering Cannan, it was mentioned as Nephilm in original version.. Goliath was a famous biblical Nephilm but he was potrayed as Gaint lol.. some of my points were already posted by Berzerker, that makes my typing easy :-)

[Robert]

Someone asked why these 'smart' people didn't leave more evidence of their existance.......

[Robert]

3000 stones from around 3000BC in Bretagne France

[Robert]

height: 20 meters
weight: 350 tons

[Robert]

 

[Robert]

- The city Tiahuanaca in the Andes, South America, has buildings with stones with a weight of 60tons, placed on 100tons weighting standstone blocks. The stones seem to be polished with a huge plane.
These stones appear to be created in the stonepit of Tiahuanacu, 350 km away!!

- The old city Ollantaytambo in Peru contains some 3,5-5 meters height stones, which were created in a stonepit 11 km from the place they are right now.

- The fort fort van Sacsehuaman in Peru is surrounded by a 20 meters high wall, containing some stones heavier than 200ton! From a piece a granite, height 11 meters, width 18 meters that seems to be cutted out of the rock, a perfect squared piece was cutted out of it.

- In Chili, on the height of El Enladrillado, 233 stones size 5 by 7 and 5 by 10 meters are arranged like an amphitheatre. The stones are very polished. The stones must have come from the valley, since there's no natural stone source on the height.

- In Costa Rica, in the jungle, perfect balls were found with a diameter of 2,5 meters. The weight of the heaviest one is 16 ton. There has been found no place where these balls could be created. Pherhaps these balls are scale-models of the planets in our solar system.

- North, in the living area of the Olmeken are giant heads, some have a diameter of 5,5 meters. The local people have tried to move them, but never succeeded. To not even talk about transporting them. The heads do not look alike the race of the current civilians.

[Bas]

CS: Ofcourse, I know that there are many monolithic structures all over the world, but this is not a point in your favour like you seem to think (whatever it exactly is that you try to argue. You have the same strange logic here that you use in the evolution/religion threads, but let's keep this on-topic.). Very simply, it shows that ancient people were not as dumb as you make them out to be: they were just as intelligent and crafty as they are now, and certainly with the time spans usually associated with the construction of these things (centuries are no exception, not even in medieval times), amazing things can be built. But this does not require any superhuman intervention, like you seem to suggest: 'early' man (as in a few 1000 years ago) was very capable of constructing such large structures, even if it meant a lot of long, hard work.

BTW, are you suggesting that the statues on Easter Island, the pyramids, the monolithic structures in Europe and the Indian temples in South and Central America were built by the same people?
If not, then what's your point?

Cocapsi: again, you seem to suffer from the same underestimation of the intelligence of early mankind, and the same susceptibility to juggling with random numbers in order to find some weird correlations... Like Boshko (and several others before in this thread) said, you can get any number of correlations by just taking a lot of numbers, and doing irrelevant calculations with them. I'll take on a few examples of yours.

What it means is, if u draw a horizonal & vertical line intersecting at pyramid, the whole world map is divided into 4 pieces of squares.. each square has equal area of land mass (just land, no water here). I read it somewhere too..
Pyramid of Giza got some astonishing facts, perhaps coincidence but how far a concidence alone can keep scientists guessing lol.. The great pyramid and its surrounding smaller ones EXACTLY represents the Orion belt of stars.. hmm im not going to say that they were built by Aliens as a landing spot though..

Well, first of all you won't get squares, but never mind. I can't check your claim, so I won't go into further detail there. And it doesn't surprise me at all that the pyramids were built in the same relative positions as certain stars... Astronomy played an important role in early civilizations (often in a religious way), and these things do not require any great feats of mathematics. Some basic astronomy and some basic trigonometry (probably experimentally, I don't think they used sines etc.) will be more than sufficient IMO, nothing that the early Egyptians weren't capable of.

If you lay all the stones in a line, from pyramids, it will span 2/3 of the length of the earth diameter (!!!) How can a civ that old can gather than much stone and built it on plain mass of land where, no craters were reported near by?

Trade. For example, during that time the egyptians already traded with the phoenicians, on the coast of current-day Lebanon. I don't see why they couldn't have imported that stone from, for example, modern-day Sudan or Ethiopia (or probably somewhere in Egypt itself), especially considering the relative ease of transport over water.

"Pi" is an important mathematical symbol for symmetrical structures.. only by 17th century, we found the value of "pi" upto 3 decimals.. but if you divide the perimeter of Giza pyd by its height, it equates to pi of 6 decimals .. now do you think those ppl who even dont have modern cranes, can built it that accurately? (Slaves can move it, but how precise can you put on a location so important geographically). And h.ell, egyptians preserved, wrote everything inside pyramid.. they just missed out how they built them.

Bull****. Pi has no relevance on pyramidical structures, but crops up in things with circular or radial symmetry, something the pyramids don't have. Again, you're juggling with some numbers, until you get an answer that looks somewhat familiar. I don't doubt that you can get, for example, e or pi squared to several decimals if you juggle a bit with some of the dimensions of the pyramid. I don't see any intention by the builders here (by the way, a bit of a cumbersome way to give the value of pi, don't you think ).

I'll stop now, since I've got better things to do than talk about your ramblings on nephilim and Sumerians. The Bible is not a very trustworthy source anyway, I'm afraid.

Berzerker: I'll try to check out the info you give a bit, but I can't respond to it yet. I'm only faintly familiar with the Piri Reis map and the other things you mentioned.

[August Borms]

CyberShy, do you really believe that these structures were built by the biblical giants?

[August Borms]

Originally posted by Bas
BTW, are you suggesting that the statues on Easter Island, the pyramids, the monolithic structures in Europe and the Indian temples in South and Central America were built by the same people?
If not, then what's your point?

He's suggesting that they were all built by the giants from the bible.

(he translated parts from this site

http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~fm-ter-horst/reuzen.html