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  • #91
    1.Empires in Africa were still worse than ones in Asia or Europe. No African empire could be compared to British, French, Spanish, Chines, Indian empires by their influence. Most of African empires conquered quite large plots only because countries surrounding them were even worse. All African empires were defeated when Europeans came.

    2.There WAS racism in America and I won't discuss it. But now racism is minimal. If also counted the reversed racism (blacks against whites) which is almost unforbidden, blacks situation is about equal to whites nowadays (sometimes, like in jobs, blacks situation is even better). So, it seems blacks can't manage, and this is not only about countries, but also about companies (say at least one known black multibillionaire bussinesman), etc. Blacks are good workers in my opinion, but bad chiefs. If someone else controls them (USA in early XIX age, South Africa until the black revolution), country lives good. If, however, leaders are also blacks, everything turns bad. I am ready to discuss, we could search reasons. I don't think it's only race, but race makes a big part (for example, in SE Asia everything is now good, even if they had the same colonial status. And you can't compare what is in those "growing economy" African countries with what is in most of (I know some have stupid totalitarian regimes) former European colnies in Asia)

    3.My country, Lithuania, could be good example of how developing country really should look. When we declared independence from Soviet Union rule we looked like most of African colonies when they declared independence. Our economy was oriented only to few "prime" industries, which had to work for all the Union and obviously had lack of job after the collapse. Now we are however a country with growing economies, without terrorism or fight for government, without any crazy totalitarian parties and we do not need humanitarian aid. Those huge companies were reorganised and now could compete in European and American markets (even if some doesn't likes cheap Lithuanian production and makes cases of damping against it, mostly of which we win).

    4.Now cold war is ended, and yes, some aid is being given just because recipients became addicted to the aid and without it they'd collapse. Some countries really used aid corectly (like Lithuania where I live, most of others former socialist countries in Europe, SE Asian countries). However, some just takes that aid like profit from some industry and incorporates it in budget and spends it not for improving economic condition. Such countries just becomes addicted to aid.

    5.But in apartheid blacks were also safer and there was less HIV. I think the major mistake which was done with SA and which is ussually being done when racist/fascist government is overthrown is that most of countries recognises that new government. Instead, I'd try to install democratic puppet government in that country. This is because when people are unleashed from opressors they tries to opress the former opressors instead of estabilishing a democracy (something like that also happened in Kosowo). So, I think puppet government should be installed until everything is good again (for 10-20 years maybe). That government would be democratic, but would deal with racial/ethnical attacks from both sides very harshly, maybe even with capital sentence. This would lower the probability of radical people from the group, which lost power, trying to opress the other group again and also the probability of revenge by other group.

    BTW, as I seen from Ramo's last portion of post, he is racist himself (he is against white race).

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    • #92
      Nah, Sonic is just some Slav from Lithuania, no one listens to Slavs. They're nowhere near the ability of people in western countries, as evidenced by their history.
      "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
      - Lone Star

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Ramo
        I only see one post.
        That's because I managed to copy the darn thing when editing it...
        "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
        "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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        • #94
          Of course, Jaakko, you understand that we're just members of a backwards Mongoloid nation which can't develop a high culture on it's own and is thus doomed to be ruled by their Nordic masters.

          All African empires were defeated when Europeans came.
          Ethiopia wasn't. Also, your ability to go from apparent ignorance about African empires to knowing so much about them is astonishing.

          (say at least one known black multibillionaire bussinesman)
          Robert Johnson, founder of Black Entertainment TV, is a billionaire. I don't know about multi-.
          "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
          "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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          • #95
            Long live the Finnish self pity! Huzzah!
            But it's still better (or less bad) than the prejudice against Russians evident in many Finns.
            "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
            - Lone Star

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            • #96
              Jaakko, you just shown that you actually know nothing in both geography and history. You are from FInland so you should know Lithuanians aren't slavs we always fought slavs instead. We are balts, like Latvians. And our language is very different from slavic ones, also the oldest remaining indo-european language by the way. And also we built one of the largest continuous empires in Europe, Lithuanian Great Duchy. So, Lithuania had more influence to the history than Finland (if we consider that Vikings were not only Finnish but also Swedish, Norge). Next time you'll make such a racistic argument please read history book and geographical atlas. This is the same as to claim that Finnish people are all black. Also, Finland is no more western than Lithuanian.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Sonic
                And our language is very different from slavic ones, also the oldest remaining indo-european language by the way.
                The oldest remaining? Gosh! They abolished English, French, German, Italian and Spanish while I weren't looking?
                "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
                "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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                • #98
                  Gah, I guess I should have expected that my post was too much for lil' Sonic's brain. It's called sarcasm my little friend. S-A-R-C-A-S-M.

                  Now scurry away or I'll sic the Teutonic Order on your ass.
                  "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                  - Lone Star

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                  • #99
                    Sorry, Lithuanian one is older than languages you names. Obviously, latin language was older, but we don't count it as remaining one (even if Vatican has it as official). All barbaric languages of Roman times are also not remaining (ostgoth, vestgoth, etc.). German, Italian - those languages formed later. Lithuanian language dates back even before official Lithuanian Duchy was created in 1010. Now there are only two still remaining Baltic languages - Lithuanian and Latvian. All other ones are lost. Lithuanian language lived through ages of unification with Poland, when most people spoke Polish, also much time occupation of Russian Empire, when Lithuanian language was forbidden and occupation of Soviet Union, when Lithuanians were being exiled.

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                    • Well, maybe it was sarcasm but still you should call Lithuanians Baltic instead of Slavic.

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                      • I usually just call them people, unless historical context demands elaboration. That's because unlike you, I don't try to cook up justifications for racism.
                        "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                        - Lone Star

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                        • Perhaps you should discuss this fascinating theory of yours with some of the Greeks here, Sonic?
                          "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
                          "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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                          • Jaakko, so please call Lithuanians people also then. If you know historical context, then you could also call them Baltic.

                            BTW, I am not racist. I think however that races are not equal by all their temperament, etc., but I don't think certain races are better than others. Yes, some races are better in certain spots, but yet again other races might be better than them in other spots.

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                            • Good lord you're thick Sonic. I DO call them people you asshat.

                              As for you racism excuses, care to give me cites on the differences in the ability of races? While you're at it, do you have anything to suggest there is any more genetical difference between "races" than genes controlling external features (eg. melanin production in case of black people)?
                              "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                              - Lone Star

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                              • Originally posted by Stefu
                                Robert Johnson, founder of Black Entertainment TV, is a billionaire. I don't know about multi-.
                                $2.5 billion, and Johnson started BET on a budget of about $2000 a week . And he's not a great executive?

                                Sonic, I am ready and willing to debate this subject but you clearly know nothing of the subject matter. You have been proven wrong on every issue. Your head is filled with many stereotypes about blacks but few facts.

                                There are many well run black countries in the world, as I have named. There are many well run black companies in the world: Ashanti Goldfields, Dangote, Johnson Publishing (no relation to Robert Johnson), Sayers, H.J. Russell, HARPO, Ariel Capital Managment... go visit blackenterprise.com for some more enlightenment.

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