This Is the Kind of Crap that Pisses Me Off

[Sonic]

I didn't said anything bad on Asians.
I don't think blacks should be enslaved, I said it was quite good countries under Apartheid and XIX age America, BUT I really don't want these times to be bcak. Now USA is a very good country without slavery. I couldn't tell the same about SA though.
Yes, Tingkai shown true facts. So there are 51.5 percent black murderers. If comparing with percent of black population, the numbers of blacks murderers/black population becomes even more bigger than analogical white ratings
And I by the way, didn't said every white country is well-governed, please look at first posts.

[Tingkai]

If you think life was great under apartheid or slavery then you don't know your history. This is like saying life was better in your countryunder the USSR.

Blacks in South Africa are better off because they have freedom. In terms of economics, things haven't changed a lot. The blacks were poor under apartheid and many still are. But they are free and that is worth a lot.

I think you believe that colour of skin equals likelihood of criminal behaviour when that is in fact in correct.

[Sonic]

No, in our country life wasn't better at the USSR and this is maybe one of the reasons I am against Mugabe. Soviets also taken land from rich people and given it for poors to farm. Something like that is going to be in Zimbabwe. Result of that reform in USSR was that many people start stealing things from government owned farms and although USSR had huge agriculture, it still didn't had much food.

[Tingkai]

You misunderstand what I wrote. I'm saying that life under apartheid was terrible just as life in your country was terrible during the Soviet era.

[Sonic]

No, in fact both cases has much differences. South Africa never before white influence was an organised nation with modern economics, which were already available in Europe at a time). So whites helped them much with for example drugs, etc. Maybe life under apartheid was bad, but whites by coming given much to the blacks in South Africa. Maybe if no whites would have settled in South Africa, it would still be somewhere in XIX age. And now South Africa is still not as thid world as some of African countries north of it. I don't say that is because of Apartheid, but I think apartheid played no the most minor role here.

Everything was quite different in Lithuania. Lithuania was a very modern and organised nation before Soviets. Soviets just dragged our economics back by exiling clever people out of Lithuania.

[Ramo]

I don't think blacks should be enslaved, I said it was quite good countries under Apartheid

Yeah, where the black majority was prohibited from marrying with whites, where the black majority was prohibited from having certain jobs, where the black majority was denied the right to vote, where members of the black majority were tortured or executed after peaceful protests. Yeah, Apartheid South Africa sure was a great place to live - provided you have the right skin color.

and XIX age America,

Where half of the population of the Southern states were SLAVES. They were forced to do whatever the master wanted, whether it was to be forced into being raped or having their children taken away from them or giving up all fruits of their labor. Is your brain operational at all?!

BUT I really don't want these times to be bcak.

How ****ing magnanimous of you.

I don't say that is because of Apartheid, but I think apartheid played no the most minor role here.

How could it possibly do that?

Result of that reform in USSR was that many people start stealing things from government owned farms and although USSR had huge agriculture, it still didn't had much food.

Mugabe is distributing the land to the people (albeit, primarily his supporters), not to the state. The comparison is not valid.

So there are 51.5 percent black murderers. If comparing with percent of black population, the numbers of blacks murderers/black population becomes even more bigger than analogical white ratings

And this can be attributable to the higher relative urban population and the relative poverty of blacks.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Sonic
No, in fact both cases has much differences. South Africa never before white influence was an organised nation with modern economics, which were already available in Europe at a time).

So what? So they didn't have modern economics.

Originally posted by Sonic
So whites helped them much with for example drugs, etc.

IIRC, unless you were white, drugs were not readily available in SA. May be tonical off the shelf drugs.

Originally posted by Sonic
Maybe life under apartheid was bad, but whites by coming given much to the blacks in South Africa. Maybe if no whites would have settled in South Africa, it would still be somewhere in XIX age.

Are you asserting they are so stupid that they couldn't learn from other people?

Originally posted by Sonic
And now South Africa is still not as thid world as some of African countries north of it.

Do you realise that all those countries were once colonies too? That just indicates that SA is more of an exception than the norm of White Man's Rule.

[Sonic]

Yes, I realise all were colonies but not all later had something that apartheid.

And Ramo, yet again, why do you think blacks has more povetry, etc. in USA?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Carver


Zim was still offering compensation for improvements to the land.

Well this gets back back to the admittedly murky area of buying stolen property. Knowingly buying stolen property is illegal. So we have to trace the whole ownership history of the farm.

I'll remind you that not all white owned property is being redistributed. About 25% of the white farms are being left as is. So Zim is using some (good) discrimination on what land to take.

What was the reason for no longer offering such compensation, then?

"Knowingly buying stolen property is illegal" - True. However, IF we are discussing a farm purchased in 1981, said purchase was perfectly legal at the time. The government of Zimbabwe - at that time - was fine with it. Later, a decision was made to redistribute land, on the basis that land owned by whites was stolen. So yeah, it's a little murky.

I heard the figure of 90% of white-owned farms are being redistributed. I wonder if the discrepancy has to do with acreage as opposed to number of plots?

In general, I see a lot of people getting screwed over here - not just the white farmers - and a bunch of Zanu-PF cronies benifitting while the economy goes down the toilet. I also see an increasingly despotic regime tightening its grip on power. Not that this doesn't happen all the time all over the world, but that doesn't make it right.

-Arrian

[Ramo]

Primarily because of societal handicaps, namely that their parents were poor, and their parents, etc., and that they tend to have more children than whites, which is a huge drain in money, and to a lesser extent, racism that many face.

[Dinner]

Blacks make up 12% of the US population but commit 51% of the murders. That in itself is a pretty shocking satistic.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Blacks make up 12% of the US population but commit 51% of the murders. That in itself is a pretty shocking satistic.

It is, but they are not committing them because they are black. they are committing them because blacks have less opportunities and live in worse conditions.

I'm sure the same used to be said of the Irish or Italian immigrants

[Caligastia]

So if your conditions are bad then its ok to behave like animals? Great.

[Ramo]

No one's saying any such thing. However, non-blacks act no different under the same circumstances.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Caligastia
So if your conditions are bad then its ok to behave like animals? Great.

That is not what i am saying at all. It is a fact though that people in worse social conditions commit more crime. They doesn't make them any less guilty.

All i was saying was the murders aren't committed because they are black.