Hating gays pays!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by rah
But I agree that these two slouches probably didn't, but you never know with the Government since they so love their paperwork.

Well I work for the govt, and I didnt sign a contract.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I agree with CyberShy.

This is a first amendment issue.

No it isn't.

They were required to attend (and I'm assuming) pay attention to the seminar. Reading from a Bible while you're supposed to be listening is no better than not attending at all.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
No it isn't. They have a religious belief and they performed a silent protest based on that belief. That is constitutionally protected.

Show me a religion that says it is against your religion to work. Jews can't work on the Sabbath, and jobs make allowances for it.

Sorry, you either want freedom of religion or you don't. Can't have both.

Imran, this is a stupid argument. If I do start a religion that says I can't speak to black men, does that mean I can get away with it on my job as a matter of freedom of religion?

Obviously not. These guys were told to sit and listen to a seminar. They didn't. It's no better than if they went to sleep at their desk...

[KrazyHorse]

If they want to protest outside of work hours, then it's up to them. They can go talk to the media, or light candles outside the prison and sing Kumbayah all they want. If their contract with the employer allows for the employer to force them to attend and pay attention to seminars, then no 1st amendment argument can get them out of it.

[KrazyHorse]

Seminars aren't a part of a job. When you sign on to work, no where does it say, you must attend seminars

It might well. Employers can force you to attend training seminars, sensitivity seminars etc. They are usually forced to pay you for your time (unless you're management), but the compulsion to actually pay attention is there.

[KrazyHorse]

The two christians were not doing anything that would cause them to be less effective in their job. All they did was openly ignore what was being said in the seminar. Are you saying it would have been better if they had ignored what was being said without anyone knowing? The reprimand was pointless

The employer has decided that this seminar is required in order to increase the effectiveness of guards. If I'm a lab technician working for Merck Frost and my employer decides that I need some training in basic evolutionary biology, then I'm not allowed to not pay attention because I'm a creationist.

If they want to, they can even require that I pass a test after the seminar, and reattend if I flunk...

[Sikander]

These guys were wrong quite simply. If you want to keep your job, you have to do your job. They should have been fired immediately and the court should have let their employer do their job.

Many if not most of these diversity training meetings are wrong as well. They are CYA for the employer, and often either frighteningly vapid (when run by pro-active organizations) or run by racists / heterophobes etc. (when they are run by reactive organizations) who are terrible examples of tolerance. Either way they claim to be doing something that they are not, and we are all paying the price for that.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Mormonism?

Many ultrareligious types use the Bible or Koran or whatever to justify racial bigotry. I think that's what drake was referring to.

I'm Mormon, and I find this highly offensive.......


Do all homosexual or bisexual people hate Mormons?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Tuberski

I'm Mormon, and I find this highly offensive.......

Do all homosexual or bisexual people hate Mormons?

Why would they be different than everyone else?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Sikander


Why would they be different than everyone else?

Oh, so basically, you hate me for my beliefs?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sikander


Why would they be different than everyone else?

8/10

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Tuberski

Oh, so basically, you hate me for my beliefs?

No I'm doing a bit of trolling within the framework of a serious post. The serious part is:

Why would you think it possible that all gays and bisexuals hate mormons? Why do you think that Boris would know what all gays and bisexuals think? It seems as though you are extrapolating your inference about one man's opinion to everyone of his class, which is what you are accusing him of. I grant you that he did take a broad shot at mormons, so I understand why you were upset by that. I think it would have been better to lead by example and point out the objectionable quality of Boris' post rather than reacting in the same vein.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Frogger


8/10

Wow, that's my highest rating ever!

[KrazyHorse]

I laughed when I read it...

Anyhow, I'm not one who always rates trolls with low marks...

[Ramo]

What's the content of the seminar, exactly?