Hating gays pays!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran: If they feel that tolerating gays is against their religious faith, then shouldn't that mean they should seek employment elsewhere? No one's asking them to change their religious beliefs. They're just asking them to do something that is deemed part of their job.

Going to a seminar isn't 'part of their job'. It is simply sensitivity training. They decided to silently read their Bibles. They didn't disrupt anything. Instead of pretending to pay attention and nod off as everyone else does, they read.

There is no 1st Ammendment protection from hearing things you don't like or agree with, especially in the workplace.

But there is a 1st Amendment protection to engage in protest.

[Boris Godunov]

Wittlich: I don't think they were prisoners, I think they were prison employees.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So I can cite Freedom of Religion and say that my religion forbids me from using electronics (I'm Amish, fine). I therefore can't do my job at work, which requires a computer. Ergo, by your logic, the Federal Government would have to accomodate my beliefs and give me an electronics-free work environment.

No, they just don't hire you .

Seminars aren't a part of a job. When you sign on to work, no where does it say, you must attend seminars.

Furthermore, who thinks the people would have been fined if they brought out the Torah and started silently reading from it? Who thinks they would have been fined if they were simply reading a novel because they were bored?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by CyberShy
The point I try to make is that you're not better than these guys.

You're wrong, we are better than they are.

[drake]

Show me a religion that says it is against your religion to work. Jews can't work on the Sabbath, and jobs make allowances for it.

Sorry, you either want freedom of religion or you don't. Can't have both.

We can just make up one. Only thing that legitimizes religion is followers. Get enough followers and you got a religion.

I make up a religion and I state in a book I write that my followers must be segregated from women in the workplace. Later on, one of my followers was forced to work in the same room as a woman. Now my follower being the good sheep he is, has a silent protest and refuses to work with the woman. He is fired. He sues the company for violating his rights. He wins. Sound right to you?

You all can say silly all you want, but look at this case. Truly look at this case. Silly is two grown men acting like little kids refusing to hear someone speak about homesexuality. Like its going to hurt them.

[Aeson]

It's the system which leads to these seminars to cover their asses that resulted in them paying off their employees... great fun!

I probably need to attend an excessive litigation sensitivity seminar. Maybe I'll slip and fall on the floor while there and get rich!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by drake


We can just make up one. Only thing that legitimizes religion is followers. Get enough followers and you got a religion.

I make up a religion and I state in a book I write that my followers must be segregated from women in the workplace. Later on, one of my followers was forced to work in the same room as a woman. Now my follower being the good sheep he is, has a silent protest and refuses to work with the woman. He is fired. He sues the company for violating his rights. He wins. Sound right to you?

The two christians were not doing anything that would cause them to be less effective in their job. All they did was openly ignore what was being said in the seminar. Are you saying it would have been better if they had ignored what was being said without anyone knowing? The reprimand was pointless.

You all can say silly all you want, but look at this case. Truly look at this case. Silly is two grown men acting like little kids refusing to hear someone speak about homesexuality. Like its going to hurt them.

I also think it would be in their best interests to learn about homosexuality, but why should they be forced by their employer? Its not like understanding homosexuality is crucial for them to do their job properly.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I've run training sessions such as the one described.

My attitude is as follows. If any of my trainees pulled a stunt like that, I'd kick them out of the session and instruct their managers not to send them back until they're willing to behave.

When you sign a contract of employment, you accept certain values the company wishes to promote. You are not forced to take the job. If you choose to take the money, you have to forego certain rights. The seminar was not an unreasonable action by the employer, so if the employees dislike it they can exercise their constitutionally-enshrined right to get off their arses and work somewhere else.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Fez
I see nothing wrong with those two prison employees reading their bibles... the US has freedom of religion.

You don't have the freedom to read your bible in your employer's time. Unless, that is, you like the idea of welfare.

[drake]

RJ

Are you saying it would have been better if they had ignored what was being said without anyone knowing?

Yes. Why make a scene? Why not just suck it up and keep your mouth shut? Is hearing about gays for a few hours really worth all this hassle?

Like in a classroom at school, some classes we don't like. But we learn it and we do well anyway. Thats part of being an adult. Sometimes doing things you don't like. (Like going to work every day )

[Sava]

78 thousand bucks? That's absurd!! Regardless of the topic, the men have a responsibility to pay attention to the seminar. It just sounds like they had better lawyers.

[rah]

God, I'm agreeing with RJ and Drake in the same thread.


SOMEBODY HELP ME

Rich

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Ron Jeremy
I've run training sessions such as the one described.

My attitude is as follows. If any of my trainees pulled a stunt like that, I'd kick them out of the session and instruct their managers not to send them back until they're willing to behave.

Sorry old fruit, but thats not the way they do things in the US.

When you sign a contract of employment, you accept certain values the company wishes to promote. You are not forced to take the job. If you choose to take the money, you have to forego certain rights. The seminar was not an unreasonable action by the employer, so if the employees dislike it they can exercise their constitutionally-enshrined right to get off their arses and work somewhere else.

Few jobs in the US have employment contracts, so this was probably not agreed to by them.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ron Jeremy


You don't have the freedom to read your bible in your employer's time. Unless, that is, you like the idea of welfare.

No you have mistaken what I said. If the employer was mad enough and did not like the idea of leaving the two employees out of the seminar, they could of just been fired. And I don't believe in welfare unless there are those purely unabled to find work.

[rah]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Few jobs in the US have employment contracts, so this was probably not agreed to by them.

You'd be suprised at how many people in the US have an emplyment contract. All professional sports players, and entertainment professionals. Quite a few other professionals do also. Even though I'm only an IT Director, I signed employement contracts with every company that I've ever worked with. All of my employees at the last two companies had to sign terms of employement agreements. Include some lawyers, doctors, etc. I'd say a majority of white collar workers have signed some type of employment contracts.

Rich
But I agree that these two slouches probably didn't, but you never know with the Government since they so love their paperwork.