Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Hating gays pays!

Collapse
X
Collapse
 
  • Page of 7
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 template Next
  • #16
    Originally posted by drake
    bigot - a person who is fanatically devoted to one group, religions, politics or race

    one can be a racist, sexist homophobe in the privacy of their home all they want. But they can leave that crap, and their bible, at home when they go to work. Has no place.
    Neither does politics have any place at work. Homosexuality is a political topic.
    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

    Comment

    • #17
      I agree with CyberShy.

      This is a first amendment issue.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

      Comment

      • #18
        Originally posted by Caligastia
        Neither does politics have any place at work. Homosexuality is a political topic.
        What?

        Homosexuality isn't a political topic first. It may be a part of politics, but first and foremost it's a social issue.
        Tutto nel mondo è burla

        Comment

        • #19
          Originally posted by drake
          Be great wouldn't it? Never happen however.
          I believe it will. Its just gonna take a while.

          What someone is, and what they believe arent the same thing.
          Many people hate christians, so why not have a mandatory seminar promoting 'tolerance' for them?

          I do support hate crime laws sure....though I fail to see how this is the same thing
          Hate crimes laws punishes those suspected of 'wrong' thought. Punishing those who refuse to attend a mandatory seminar on a political topic they disagree with is punishing thought also, just by a private entity, not a public one.
          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

          Comment

          • #20
            Originally posted by Boris Godunov


            What?

            Homosexuality isn't a political topic first. It may be a part of politics, but first and foremost it's a social issue.
            Its not an issue that people should be forced to discuss in the workplace IMO. If youre going to have a seminar designed to increase cooperation between co-workers, why focus on one small group? Was there a lot of gay-bashing going on beteen these employees? The seminar should focus on teaching respect for one another no matter what, not just focusing on one group.
            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

            Comment

            • #21
              I see nothing wrong with those two prison employees reading their bibles... the US has freedom of religion. Anybody can believe in what they want. Now some of you are proposing that freedom of religion and the 1st amendment be repealed? I am atheist but I think people have a right to believe in what they want.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

              Comment

              • #22
                Fez:

                Freedom of private religious behavior doesn't mean you can do whatever you want at work. If these men were ordered to sit in the seminar and listen respectfully and deliberately chose not to, then they have every right to reprimand the men for not doing as they are told.

                Cal: Well, if there were instances in the past of incidents whereby homosexuals were harrassed, wouldn't that make the seminar justified?

                People seem to be jumping to many conclusions on all sides here...
                Tutto nel mondo è burla

                Comment

                • #23
                  So they were not allowed to come up with their own opinion?

                  Boris, you are the one jumping to conclusions.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

                  Comment

                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                    If these men were ordered to sit in the seminar and listen respectfully and deliberately chose not to, then they have every right to reprimand the men for not doing as they are told.
                    Would you feel the same way if the seminar was promoting tolerance towards christians?

                    Cal: Well, if there were instances in the past of incidents whereby homosexuals were harrassed, wouldn't that make the seminar justified?
                    I dont think so. If someone hates gays you wont change their mind by forcing them to sit through a seminar. However, if they fired from enough jobs for this kind of behaviour they might eventually learn the error of their ways.
                    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

                    Comment

                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Fez
                      So they were not allowed to come up with their own opinion?

                      Boris, you are the one jumping to conclusions.
                      What on earth are you talking about? That's not what we're talking about at all.

                      No one is saying these men can't have their own opinions. The issue is that these men were told to sit in the seminar and listen. It sounds like they chose to defy their orders, in which case a reprimand is fine. No one was reprimanded for having a different opinion.
                      Tutto nel mondo è burla

                      Comment

                      • #26
                        Cali: Had there been instances of religious bigotry, I would have no problem with them holding a seminar to discuss religious tolerance (both of those with and without religion).

                        I tend to give people more credit. Often times people behave in hateful ways out of ignorance, and I've seen them change when confronted with facts. They tend not to realize their actions are so wrong until they are educated a bit. I've seen it happen.

                        Now, if they had the seminar, and subsequently there were problems from a person, then I'd say they should receive harsher treatment. Let's not go to the hangman from the get-go.
                        Tutto nel mondo è burla

                        Comment

                        • #27
                          Instead of wasting company time by forcing people to go to seminars, why not just fire the troublemakers?
                          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

                          Comment

                          • #28
                            If they truely must defy those orders then why not fire them instead? Boris, you are full of double standards.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

                            Comment

                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Caligastia
                              Instead of wasting company time by forcing people to go to seminars, why not just fire the troublemakers?
                              Because they are prison employees, meaning they are government employees, which in this country means next to impossible to fire.
                              "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                              "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

                              Comment

                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Caligastia
                                Instead of wasting company time by forcing people to go to seminars, why not just fire the troublemakers?
                                Ah, if it was only that easy. Firing employees is not always that easy in the US, especially federal workers. The cases must me well documented and usually included a period of time for correction. Most employees know how to walk the fine line when put on probation.

                                And the main reason for theses seminars is not to improve employee relations, but rather to enable the company to look like they did something, when it comes to defending themselves against lawsuits. So these seminars are an investment. This pattern was started with the sexual harrasment sensitivity seminars and have blosomed into many other areas. The company can state they activily prohibit this type of behaviour and actually have seminars to reinforce it.

                                Sad, but true.

                                And no I wouldn't mind sesitivity clases aimed at more mainstream religions. Even though companies are doing them to cover their butts, sometimes they actually do some good.

                                Rich
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

                                Comment

                                Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 template Next
                                Working...
                                X