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  • #61
    If you really are defending the USSR I suggest you find this quote funny usually said by my economic teacher mocking Joseph Stalin:

    He speaks English with an attempt of an Russian accent saying "Yes, we have 0% unemployment, those who don't work are sent to death."

    Don't defend this hopeless system.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #62
      Fez: you don't know what are you talking about. I do . my parents do.

      I plainly asked my grandmother , that was born in 1916 , when was the last time there was hunger in the soviet union. It was during Stalin, 1952. We all can agree that Stalin was a very evil man , without diminishing the fact that he was crucial to the effort of defeating a man that was much more evil , Adolf Hitler.

      There was economic growth. People had goods, cars , top-notch education, good medical care, jobs, social lives, TV, everything.

      This was a planned economy , and as a matter of fact, life would have been much better, if that country wouldn't spend half of it's budget ( budget equals GDP in this case ) on defence. This was mainly during the times when the Stalinist Leaders attained power. The soviet union had a population of 270 million , and the same GDP as the UK. which was at 50 million. yet the soviet union managed to produce a space program that matched the american one , and to sustain the largest land force ever to exist , and to create an arsenal of ICBMs, that matched the american one.


      In short , life in the Soviet Union was much better than it is now to the millions of people that lived there , on the whole. It could have been even better if lots of mistakes and mismanagements wouldn't had been made.
      urgh.NSFW

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      • #63
        Yes there was economic growth... infact massive economic growth... but what about the twenty ****ing million people that died because of that! Same thing goes for China.

        Ten more years of Putinism and you will see that the Soviet Union was big mess. Putin is probably the best thing to happen to Russia.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #64
          And whatever propaganda magazine you are reading, the USSR was totalitarian state...
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #65
            And whatever propaganda magazine you are reading, the USSR was totalitarian state...
            I am not saying that it was democratic, though it was far from the stalin era. Still , you seem to fail to realize that I LIVED THERE.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #66
              But you left as a child

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Dalgetti
                Fez: you don't know what are you talking about. I do . my parents do.

                I plainly asked my grandmother , that was born in 1916 , when was the last time there was hunger in the soviet union. It was during Stalin, 1952. We all can agree that Stalin was a very evil man , without diminishing the fact that he was crucial to the effort of defeating a man that was much more evil , Adolf Hitler.

                There was economic growth. People had goods, cars , top-notch education, good medical care, jobs, social lives, TV, everything.

                This was a planned economy , and as a matter of fact, life would have been much better, if that country wouldn't spend half of it's budget ( budget equals GDP in this case ) on defence. This was mainly during the times when the Stalinist Leaders attained power. The soviet union had a population of 270 million , and the same GDP as the UK. which was at 50 million. yet the soviet union managed to produce a space program that matched the american one , and to sustain the largest land force ever to exist , and to create an arsenal of ICBMs, that matched the american one.


                In short , life in the Soviet Union was much better than it is now to the millions of people that lived there , on the whole. It could have been even better if lots of mistakes and mismanagements wouldn't had been made.


                half of its budget on arms??? no wonder it crumbled.

                And let's not forget, the communist system made a superpower out of the country in just 70 years.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Dalgetti


                  I am not saying that it was democratic, though it was far from the stalin era. Still , you seem to fail to realize that I LIVED THERE.
                  Dalg, how old where you when you lived there?

                  And let's not forget, the communist system made a superpower out of the country in just 70 years.
                  Bull****. That was all a thing of smoke and mirrors.

                  Every smart person knows bureaucrats can't set prices for the market. Therefore the communist system is illogical. I would rather be in Franco's government then an illogical communist.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #69
                    so? I remember what my life was like , and I don't remember coming over to Israel as to an AMAZING land, where I could finally eat, or something.

                    Ecthelion, say, is East Germany better off now?
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #70
                      Almost certainly. Russia would be better now if it had undergone a union with the US too...
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #71
                        Our friend Dal will milk his SU experiences (banging against the crib, getting the cradle carried abord the plane to Israel) forever as he expounds on the successes of the Commie State.

                        Still, I'd be interested to know: if he considers 60 million Russian and East European victims of Communism a fair price for the achievements of the Soviet Union, why is he upset over a mere 6 million Jews dying to achieve another glorious Socialist utopia, the Nazi one?
                        "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
                        "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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                        • #72
                          The Cold War was not all mirror and smoke.

                          Moomin, the US overthrew its share of democracies and caused millions of deaths too. So?

                          Also, exploitation was and is alive and well today byt the west itself.

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                          • #73
                            [SIZE=1] Originally posted by Still, I'd be interested to know: if he considers 60 million Russian and East European victims of Communism a fair price for the achievements of the Soviet Union, why is he upset over a mere 6 million Jews dying to achieve another glorious Socialist utopia, the Nazi one?
                            If the Nazis were Socialists then why did most of their big capitalists come out of the war with their fortunes intact?
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #74
                              The Soviet Union is dead.

                              Cherish Putin... he is the one... why Dalgetti won't you recognize that this man can bring prosperity to Russia instead of smoke and mirrors?

                              The communist system violates every single law of economics I can think of... from elasticity to about everything else...
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #75
                                paiktis, would you rather be oppressed by Russians or by Turks?

                                I'm just asking because I just conquered all of Greece (yes, including western Anatolia/Smyrna) in an EU2 game, as Russia from the Ottoman Empire, and I'd like to know how the people of Greece feel about that

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