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  • #61
    Well, at least the Iranians and their proxies and the Syrians would have to find another reason for hostilities. The Syrians might be able to get by with territorial disputes, true.

    In any event, settling the question of Jerusalem is something valuable to us from any number of angles. It's worth almost any price.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #62
      Really? I don't know how well it would go over domestically to send that much money to the Pals, even if they agreed to a peace deal....

      Also, nobody's yet addressed how it was that Clinton was supposed to guarantee Israeli acceptance into NATO...
      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
      Stadtluft Macht Frei
      Killing it is the new killing it
      Ultima Ratio Regum

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      • #63
        Why not? We're already starting to ship $$$ to Afghanistan.

        The NATO stuff seems specious.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #64
          Anyway, just pointing out that a total cost to US of 35 billion is not insignificant, and seems too high. Peace between Pals&Israelis would further US strategic positioning in the region, but I'm unsure as to whether that much was actually offered.
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • #65
            How much aid hase been agreed to for Afghanistan (a country of 9X the population of Palestine)?
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
            Ultima Ratio Regum

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            • #66
              $2 billion from us. $8 billion (?) total. Of course, Afghanistan isn't nearly the prime real estate of Palestine.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #67
                See my point? Even that total of 8 billion only adds up to 300$ per capita...
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #68
                  Well, a Palestinian life is worth a heck of a lot more than an Afghan life in the geopolitical scheme of things.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #69
                    Yeah, but still. Anyhoo, I don't believe that number of 20 billion. Especially not when lumped in with iffy statement about Israeli acceptance into NATO...
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #70
                      The Israelis are still going to be spending whatever it is they spent on defense for the last thirty years, and it's still going to be untenable withoud your support...
                      allow me to dissagree, on two points.

                      1) We can afford our defence budget , without the US support. The US support is 2% of the GDP. It would be harder , though.
                      2) The defence spending will go down , I estimate by up to 20% , Because of the cost of placing operational troops on a daily basis for years, won't be included, And also there is the possible cut in actual equipment. But that's a long shot , as long as Syria is at war with us, and Egypt's peace is ice-cold.
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #71
                        Ned, as I said, the french commander is under investigation.

                        I don't think it matter whether the soldiers have acted according to Israeli law or not... It is the people who ordered them to carry out the occupation that should be tried and sentenced.

                        Fez, I'm not quite sure what you are referring to. If I've understood it correctly, however, the colombians still had their own nation, right? In the palestinians case you are asking them to give up without a state of their own, something I doubt they will ever do.
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                        • #72
                          1) We can afford our defence budget , without the US support. The US support is 2% of the GDP. It would be harder , though


                          US support (total) adds up to a bit more than 2% of GDP. Direct monetary aid is about 2.5%, and then there's military aid that comes in reduced prices on hardware, and even freebies. Now add in loan guarantees and various other means that the US uses to float your pretty, expensiv military, and it becomes obvious that given the strain your budget's undergone even with a merely low-level conflict that something would have to break if US money dried up.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by CyberGnu
                            Fez, I'm not quite sure what you are referring to. If I've understood it correctly, however, the colombians still had their own nation, right? In the palestinians case you are asking them to give up without a state of their own, something I doubt they will ever do.
                            Wrong. I am saying they should have their state and if they would stop the terrorism and sit on the table, Sharon would have to talk (because of pressure from Bush). Cybergnu smarten up before you decide to discuss this with me. The Palestinians could of got there own state if they agreed to the terms set by the Clinton and Barak adminstrations but they didn't. And don't give me this crap about the treaty being unfair... it most definitely was fair.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #74
                              Excellent, it looks like the Palestinian workers will throw off the shackles of Arafat's oppression.

                              Here's hoping the Hamas, or the Islamic Jihad, etc. don't replace the PA, though...
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                              -Bokonon

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                              • #75
                                This goes for both peoples.
                                urgh.NSFW

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