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  • #91
    Originally posted by CyberGnu
    Fez, if you can't be civil when you are wrong,
    I am civil in my arguments but sometimes a bit too vivid.

    But if you can't be civil when you don't express yourself coherently, then you don't belong here.
    SHUT UP! For once put a sock in it. It is not me who is the one who can't express myself but rather you. You throw out all of these pro-terrorist view points out and side with Palestinian terrorist organizations. I may not like Israel because of their lack of diplomacy and I certainly do not like the PLO for their terror campagin against innocent civilians but that does not make me incoherent. It is clear the situation will not be solved now or ever and there is no point in thinking optimistically because it will back fire. There will always be strife in this region and that is the way it is. Will it change? No it will not. Is there any sense in throwing out your arbitrary and sometimes idiotical opinions out? No there is not any sense at all in doing so. The complexity of this problem inwhich the media understates as a "crisis" is much more deep. Two groups of people who truely have shown time and time again they cannot live together... so why can't Israel protect itself and why can't the Palestinians live in peace? There is one simple yet complex reason to this whole problem and that is: hatred. Will it disappear because of one obviously misled person, you cybergnu, discuss it in such a manner showing that you clearly don't want Israel to exist? The problems will not disappear. Then the question arises and that is why do you so dearly want Israel wiped off the map because you are against them protecting themselves? Don't answer that.

    You are more than welcome to come back on this issue when you have decided to be an adult.
    Then please regard yourself out the door.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #92
      So, how did the palestinian civilians in those camps threaten Sharon? In the same way those evil jews threatened Hitler, perhaps?

      I didn't realise Sharon visited the camps and killed the palestinians. Neither did he give an order to do so.

      Face it, siro... I can understand you defending Israels occupation... Israel has been feeding your doctored history all your life, and it doesn't make you a bad person becuase you are mislead.



      This coming from a... what are you anyway, an american? I remember you were swedish some time ago?

      I can't talk to you about doctored history since you consider the palestinian information ministry's version of camp david, which was rewritten, a year after the account as truth.

      You also still hold on to your unbased decision that Sharon intended to kill civilians in Sabra and Shatilla.

      You big ass scientist haven't proved any history being rewritten yet, though you expect me to feel warm and cuddly aobut you, since you are automatically skeptic of everything an Israeli tells you.

      Isn't it nice to have a pseudo intellect?
      But defending sharons massacre of civilians is really beyond the pale. It was a crime against humanity, and if there is one people on earth that should hate it more than any else, it should be the jews....

      Coming from a man whose memory is fond of quotes from Mein Campf

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      • #93
        Gah!!!!

        This is why I was reluctant to post this thread, cuz I knew it would devolve into general ME bashing. There are signs here the that Palestinian people are breaking out of the violence trap, and yet people still wanna discuss who's right and wrong!!
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #94
          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
          There are signs here the that Palestinian people are breaking out of the violence trap,
          Unless the brewing rebellion you hint at goes against Hamas as well as the PA, I wouldn't break out the champagne just yet.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #95
            Even I want a rebellion to occur, an european conservative, wanting the Palestinian people to rise up against Arafat but will they join Hamas and other terror groups doing so? I certainly hope not. If they do the region will explode into all out war. If they don't then maybe there is a chance.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #96
              Fez, your lack of civility has nothing to do with your views. You could discuss the morality of baby sacrifices in a civil manner.

              In this thread, however, I made a statement regarding the offer at camp david. You saw fit to insult me over it. I then proved my point.

              A big man would have apologized for the insult. Not so from Fez.

              Later on you decided to join the debate again, with a post about colombians. I didn't understand your point, so I asked you to clarify. Instead of doing so, you saw fit to insult me again.

              And now, when called upon it, the answer is 'put a sock in it'.

              Class Fez, real class.

              If we're still posting on this board in ten years, maybe you've grown up by then.... One can only hope.
              Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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              • #97
                Originally posted by CyberGnu
                Fez, your lack of civility has nothing to do with your views. You could discuss the morality of baby sacrifices in a civil manner.
                I do discuss with civility. Not a lack of it.

                In this thread, however, I made a statement regarding the offer at camp david. You saw fit to insult me over it. I then proved my point.
                You proved nothing.

                A big man would have apologized for the insult. Not so from Fez.
                What insult?

                Later on you decided to join the debate again, with a post about colombians. I didn't understand your point, so I asked you to clarify. Instead of doing so, you saw fit to insult me again.
                It was called an inference. I was inferring people get sick of violence and want an end to it.

                And now, when called upon it, the answer is 'put a sock in it'.
                No I didn't. I gave you a full and complete description of my views.

                Class Fez, real class.
                You are not the one to judge when you yourself lack it.

                If we're still posting on this board in ten years, maybe you've grown up by then.... One can only hope.
                And you should be thinking the same about yourself because you lack maturity? What else is new, the ignorant leftist ignores my entire post with that rather long explication of my views.


                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #98
                  siro, he was the supreme commander of the area. He ordered the israeli soldiers not to interfere with the militia, and his only dfesne was 'I didn;t know they would massacre the camp inhabitants'.

                  Ackording to international law, this is not a defense.

                  I can't talk to you about doctored history since you consider the palestinian information ministry's version of camp david, which was rewritten, a year after the account as truth.
                  So the israeli negotiatior Ben-Ami is a palestinian information minister?
                  Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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                  • #99
                    Saleh Shahada, one of the senior Hamas leaders in the Gaza Strip and one of the few Hamas leaders who survived the Intifada until now, was liquidated few minutes ago. 4 more men, his aides or civilians were also killed.
                    "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                    • Fez:
                      You proved nothing.
                      I posted a quote and two links. If you had doubts regarding the veracity of those links or the conclusion drawn from them, you could have said so. You instead decided to conceed the point.

                      what insult?
                      Well, this one, for starters:Hahaha... hahaha... hahaha... Sorry... I just have to laugh at this terribly stupid remark. It offered more.

                      followed by GET A LIFE.

                      and
                      It is stupid when you don't know what you are talking about...
                      Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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                      • Cybergnu, most of what I posted on this crisis is opinion. So please read my posts more clearly.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • It was called an inference. I was inferring people get sick of violence and want an end to it.
                          Well, you could have posted that when I asked for a clarification then, couldn't you? I think you just proved my point quite well.

                          No I didn't. I gave you a full and complete description of my views.
                          And as I've already said once, your views aren't the issue. It's your lack of civility.

                          If you want to discuss your views and how they don't correspond to mine, that is fine.

                          You are not the one to judge when you yourself lack it.
                          Regressing back to our sandbox days, are we? 'I know you are, but what am I'?
                          Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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                          • Originally posted by CyberGnu


                            Well, you could have posted that when I asked for a clarification then, couldn't you? I think you just proved my point quite well.
                            Well I guess I have posted it now haven't I?

                            And as I've already said once, your views aren't the issue. It's your lack of civility.
                            Again, I don't lack civility. Take a look at my past few posts.

                            If you want to discuss your views and how they don't correspond to mine, that is fine.
                            And I think I have exhausted discussing so I will pull out of this. I got my views and I said them and defended them, that ought to be enough.

                            Regressing back to our sandbox days, are we? 'I know you are, but what am I'?
                            Wrong.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • Again, I don't lack civility. Take a look at my past few posts.
                              True, and I appreciate that. Now what about the apology?
                              Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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                              • Originally posted by CyberGnu


                                True, and I appreciate that. Now what about the apology?
                                And you got it. But you have to understand I am 18, male and am a bit too hyper sometimes....
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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