New Threat to Arafat - Proletariat rising?

[Imran Siddiqui]

It offered more.

Fez, you are a moron! Camp David was LESS than Oslo and everyone agrees with that!

[Jon Miller]

um
actually I know many people who claim that Camp David offered more

Jn Miller

[Imran Siddiqui]

That Oslo?

They are all morons then! Didn't you read the news where it said Camp David offered 95% of the West Bank? As opposed to Oslo which offered ALL of the West Bank and Gaza.

I guess this really does prove the pro-Israeli media in the US, if some Americans actually believe this crap.

[Az]

As opposed to Oslo which offered ALL of the West Bank and Gaza

[CyberGnu]

Fez, so you'd rather close your mind than admit you were wrong... Sad.


Ned, we went thought this one another thread. The French general IS under investigation, and we don't know the outcome of that yet. Furthermore, the failure to protect srebrenica came from fear of throwing away the life of the UN detatchment in a meaningless gesture. Serbian forces advanced in overwhelming force, and trying to stop them would according to teh commander at the scene have been futile.

The area commander is under investigation as to whether this view was indeed correct.


Sharon, on the other hand, let soliders under his command slaughter civilians. For just that, he should be hung next to Eichman.

However, in my post I referred to the recent deaths and hostilities. I assume that this quote:

I hope the Pals themselves arrest their terrorist leaders and put them all to death not only for their crimes against humanity, but because of the suffering they have caused the people of Palestine.

does not refer to the massacre in 1982...

[chequita guevara]

And what does this have to do with workers in Palestine getting pissed at Arafat?

[CyberGnu]

Not much, started as a comment on Ned's remark two pages ago...

I don't think there will be a workers uprising in palestine. Arafats popularity might be down, but they are still far above the closest competitor...

[Giancarlo]

I think they will start to realize terrorism accomplishes nothing and will have to accept a settlement no matter how poor it is. The Palestinian people are probably sick of seeing violence. I think it will end as they start to realize enough is enough.

[CyberGnu]

They have endured 50 years... You really think they'll give up now?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
They have endured 50 years... You really think they'll give up now?

Uh huh... and what did the Colombian people think when they elected Uribe? Enough is enough. They have endured a three or four decade civil war. They want somebody to end this now. And the Palestinians want somebody to end the violence with realistic means.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Fez, so you'd rather close your mind than admit you were wrong... Sad.


Ned, we went thought this one another thread. The French general IS under investigation, and we don't know the outcome of that yet. Furthermore, the failure to protect srebrenica came from fear of throwing away the life of the UN detatchment in a meaningless gesture. Serbian forces advanced in overwhelming force, and trying to stop them would according to teh commander at the scene have been futile.

The area commander is under investigation as to whether this view was indeed correct.


Sharon, on the other hand, let soliders under his command slaughter civilians. For just that, he should be hung next to Eichman.

However, in my post I referred to the recent deaths and hostilities. I assume that this quote:

does not refer to the massacre in 1982...

CyberGnu, The Dutch commander surely had a radio. UN, particularly, US forces were only a call away.

No, on the suffering bit, I was refuring to the current suffering. Undoubtedly, if there are any Israeli's who deliberately killed Palestinian civilians obeying the law, well they should be put on trial. I understand some of the recent incidents are being investigated.

[Ned]

On the matter of a worker's revolt against Arafat - I suspect the hostility will instead be channeled to a challenger in the next election. Only if Arafat "arranges" to have that challenger killed, then there is a real possibility of a revolt.

This is why I was asking if there are any legitimate, non terrorist canidates to oppose Arafat. As I see it, Arafat is like Mayor Daley. He has a machine that turns out the vote. The opposition has no infrastructure at all.

Well, Milosovic even was voted out by a people disgusted with the suffering and humiliation he brought Serbia. There is still hope.

[DanS]

"It seems to me that the US is willing to spend a lot of money helping its military allies, but not so much when helping people who they've not had the friendliest relationship with..."

While true, simple math would dictate a fairly high price. We put in $3 billion a year to Israel, which could be drawn down over time, with an Israeli "peace dividend".

In addition, it would partially remove one of the sticking points in our relations with the Arab world (oil $), stabilize the politics of our ally, Jordan (trade $), and drastically reduce the influence of the Ayatollas in the region. Over time it would allow our military to do other things.

Considering all of this, $40 billion or whatever is a fairly paltry sum. Less than one-half of one percent of our annual GDP.

[KrazyHorse]

While true, simple math would dictate a fairly high price. We put in $3 billion a year to Israel, which could be drawn down over time, with an Israeli "peace dividend"

I don't see US aid to Israel dropping just because they don't have to deal with suicide bombers.

[KrazyHorse]

The Israelis are still going to be spending whatever it is they spent on defense for the last thirty years, and it's still going to be untenable withoud your support...