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Odd. I was under the impression that Hamas provided social welfare in the Occupied Territories. That's how I thought that they gained most of thier recruits.
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I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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They cannot provide social welfare for the entire population. They're just an organization , after all.Comment
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Poverty is not really that interconnected with extremism. None of the 19 hijackers were people of poor background. Rather, educated and idealistic young people tend to walk the path of extremism. However, poor and desperate people are more prone to follow demagogues who make extravagant promises and carry out extremist actions.
The suicide-bombing-for-money thing is kind disturbing. But since Israel is now punishing the families of suicide bombers, there will be fewer incentives for many people to blow themselves up.Comment
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Yes but an organization that is funded by Iraq and Syria, whom have plenty of money to spend on terrorism.Originally posted by Dalgetti
They cannot provide social welfare for the entire population. They're just an organization , after all.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Ned:Huh, when I advocate putting the repsonisble ones to death the pro-israelis here scream like stuck pigs...I hope the Pals themselves arrest their terrorist leaders and put them all to death not only for their crimes against humanity, but because of the suffering they have caused the people of Palestine.
I guess it is just the traditional pro-Israeli mindset: as long as it i done to arabs, anything is OK. If done to Israelis, it is outrageous.Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the MachineComment
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CyberGnu: The Israelis aren't blowing up cafes by employing suicide bombers.
But then again I am neutral in this issue siding with neither side.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Fez,
'he started it when he hit me back'Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the MachineComment
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I disagree. You logic is all skewed.Originally posted by CyberGnu
Fez,
'he started it when he hit me back'
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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how so?Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the MachineComment
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I won't comment further because I don't want to seem leaning towards the Israeli side... I don't like either side but your logic is skewed because you only blame the Israelis. I think the Palestinians are just as much if not more to blame because of the terrorism.Originally posted by CyberGnu
how so?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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So you are blaming both sides equally for carrying on a fight one side started?
Are you a schoolteacher, by any chance?
Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the MachineComment
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I think injustice has been done to the Palestinians, but they are fighting back with means that are worse than the injustice itself.
When the USAF was napalming Vietnamese villages, you didn't see NV bombing American civilians at every opportunity. Had they actually done that, there wouldn't have been anti-war protests on American streets, people wouldn't have called their own soldiers "baby killers", and Jane Fonda would have shown up on Radio Hanoi. Instead, there would have been an American solitarity to fight the Vietcong "Barbarians".
The NV were smart enough to paint themselves as victims, but resisted long enough to generate massive war weariness in the US, and won the war in the end.
If the Palestinians were just as smart as the Vietnamese, not only would most Americans stop taking Israel's side, but Israelis themselves would have accepted legitimate(eg Palestinian state, economic assistance, etc..) Palestinian demands.
Suicide bombings or murdering Israeli civilians may have satisfied the primitive human instinct of vengence, but they generally hurt more rational goals such as nationhood, economic prosperity, and the peace.Comment
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Nope I am a conservative. And I am not siding with Israel.Originally posted by CyberGnu
So you are blaming both sides equally for carrying on a fight one side started?
Are you a schoolteacher, by any chance?
I used to though... but I am just sick of seeing this war continue.
One side didn't start this crap... both sides are equally to blame because both sides screwed up.
There was an offer on the table... and that is why I think the palestinians are more to blame. They had an offer by the Clinton and Barak adminstrations but Arafat rejected it!For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Fez, the camp David offer was nothing more than an insult. It actually offered LESS than was already agreed on in the Oslo accords.
And you just fell victim to the biggest political lie since Hitler claimd that the jews caused the treaty of versaille.Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the MachineComment
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I don;t think the camp david offer matters though. Israel is occupying palestine, and as long as the offer isn't unilateral withdrawal, the palestinans have the moral right to refuse.Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the MachineComment
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