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  • #91
    Originally posted by Ramo
    You're a mathemtician Jon, you ought to be a better logician than this.

    You are asserting A & B -> C
    But A !-> C
    And B !-> C

    You need something to back these assertions up.
    what is your diffinition of human?

    can we agree that for something to be human it must be genetically human?

    and I hope to not get into logic of that level

    Jon Miller
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    • #92
      so C -> B

      (where C is human and B is human genetics)

      Jon Miller
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      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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      • #93
        An Unborn Child is in Fact, Human
        Yes, in the sense that it is a cellular system containing the genome of a human...

        ...so is any cell derived from the human body, blood, skin...but on it's own, without a sophisticated nervous system and cognitive capability does not constitute an individual now. Semantics do not win you the argument...
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #94
          what is your diffinition of human?

          can we agree that for something to be human it must be genetically human?
          Yes.

          so C -> B

          (where C is human and B is human genetics)
          C in my example I consider being a "person" - an organism that is immoral to kill. A and B are human genetics and will become a human being.
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Cloud9


            Woe to that logic, for it is not the mother's body that is at stake here (unless having the baby would put the mother's life in jeapordy), but the life of the unborn child.
            ...and the life of the mother who bears and rears that child. That is her decision, and it is no one else's right but her own whether she wants that foetus inside her, and is thus her right to abort that foetus, which is in real terms acting in a parasitic capacity...
            Speaking of Erith:

            "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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            • #96
              because it shows why your statements that masturbation and periods are murder are ludicrous
              No, I was asking why being a human genetically is relevant to being considered to having legal rights.
              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
              -Bokonon

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              • #97
                OK

                so we argee there

                so then does C -> A?

                Jon Miller
                Jon Miller-
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                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Ramo


                  No, I was asking why being a human genetically is relevant to being considered to having legal rights.
                  currently, everyone who has legal rights is a human genetically

                  so it is worth refering to

                  I am attempting to make it clear

                  Jon Miller
                  Jon Miller-
                  I AM.CANADIAN
                  GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                  • #99
                    I didn't agree that C->B. If a sentient alien lands here, I would consider it immoral and illegal to kill him.

                    so then does C -> A?
                    I do not think so. I don't see it as relevant criteria. The only criteria I consider for warranting protection is development of the brain and nervous system.
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                    -Bokonon

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                    • #100
                      fetus' develope the brain and nervous system very early in its development. Something like 8 weeks(?).
                      What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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                      • #101
                        Ramo would it be immoral to remove assitance to a brain dead individual if we knew the brain was repairing itself and would be back to normal in say 4 months?
                        What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by Ramo
                          I didn't agree that C->B. If a sentient alien lands here, I would consider it immoral and illegal to kill him.



                          I do not think so. I don't see it as relevant criteria. The only criteria I consider for warranting protection is development of the brain and nervous system.
                          hmm

                          you are not understanding me

                          are all things which are immoral to kill currently human

                          don't go on the stupid side tracks

                          and are all things which are currently immoral to kill such that they are immoral to kill in the future?

                          Jon Miller
                          Jon Miller-
                          I AM.CANADIAN
                          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                          • #103
                            An Unborn Child is in Fact, Human

                            What did you think it was? Mango chutney?
                            The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                            • #104
                              well Ron your argument has left everyone speechless.

                              nope not Mango chutney but apparently an organ of the mothers.... (pure denial if you ask me)
                              What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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                              • #105
                                Denial of what? Abortion is abortion, and whether you choose to view a 12-week foetus as human or not makes no odds as far as I can see.
                                The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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