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No, not really. Placement of nose in space/time doesn't really have any bearing as to whether the right to swing a fist exists.
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But why is that Stefu? The distinction seems pretty much arbitrary, and we just happen to be on different sides of the line."On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
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In the usual tradition of pro-lifers, you completely avoided my reasonning.Originally posted by Richelieu
No it isn't.
Embryo. That word describes a stage in the life of a human being. A human being. It's not something else because it is at an earlier sage of it's life.Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.Comment
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You're arguing that the mind is what defines the human and that as it has no brain (siege of the mind) until 10 to 12th week, an embryo cannot be defined as human.Originally posted by Akka le Vil
In the usual tradition of pro-lifers, you completely avoided my reasonning.
I'm arguing that whether it has a mind or not at that time, it is a human being.
You chose your definition of what a human is. I chose mine.What?Comment
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but by any deffinition put forward here the US laws are still murder and should be changed
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What is your definition of what a human is ?Originally posted by Richelieu
You're arguing that the mind is what defines the human and that as it has no brain (siege of the mind) until 10 to 12th week, an embryo cannot be defined as human.
I'm arguing that whether it has a mind or not at that time, it is a human being.
You chose your definition of what a human is. I chose mine.Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.Comment
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MY definition? Hmmmm... Tough one. Hard to put into words. Hard to try and quantify that.Originally posted by Akka le Vil
What is your definition of what a human is ?What?Comment
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Akka, the human organism is not based on its brain. A "person" is, the defintion of "person" is more ambiguos.
I'm not sure if you read my post earlier, but abortion is killing a human in its embryotic stage.
You are arguing that it is okay to kill a human as long as it is not a "person".
So to you what is a person? Don't forget humans in the past had different deffinitions of a person, which often did not include people of colour.What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"Comment
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Akka: We will not agree on any definition because any definition that you will have will be the one that justifies abortion in your mind.
And guess what mine will be.What?Comment
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a human is an organism of the genus Homo, species sapien, often used to refere to other organisms of the Homo genus.What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"Comment
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Why not give the innocent being in the womb the benefit of the doubt? Does semantics really determine the poor soul's fate?
When is a dog a real dog? When he wags his tail?
I guess the solution is to kill whatever it is until Webster can write a new dictionary.Comment
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IMO, almost certainly there exists sentient aliens somewhere in the universe, so no.are all things which are immoral to kill currently human
Then don't come up with illogical questions. Just because something is true for all members of a finite subset of a set does not make it true for all members of the setdon't go on the stupid side tracks
No. Sperms, ova, and fetuses break this assertion, IMO.and are all things which are currently immoral to kill such that they are immoral to kill in the future?
Yes. I'd consider that person sentient.Ramo would it be immoral to remove assitance to a brain dead individual if we knew the brain was repairing itself and would be back to normal in say 4 months?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Why would you consider this person senitent if they are "brain dead"?Originally posted by Ramo
Yes. I'd consider that person sentient.What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"Comment
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The brain and nervous system are obviously operable in some capacity. How could it be otherwise?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Look, Provost. If a woman goes and has sex that is her choice. And if doing so, she gets pregnant, then that is her responsibility. End of story.Originally posted by Provost Harrison
...and the life of the mother who bears and rears that child. That is her decision, and it is no one else's right but her own whether she wants that foetus inside her, and is thus her right to abort that foetus, which is in real terms acting in a parasitic capacity...HAVE A DAY.
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Ramo would it be immoral to remove assitance to a brain dead individual if we knew the brain was repairing itself and would be back to normal in say 4 months?
OK. Step back, take a deep breath and read this again.
I think you're a little too involved in the argument to realize what you wrote there.What?Comment
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