WHat do you think is Bush's IQ

[chequita guevara]

Because, one, they don't have his charm. Nor do they have his connections. Heck, even the press was saying that Bush would be the next president, almost a year before the primaries. This guy wasn't elected, he was annointed. The election was a formality, albeit one that had to be fixed.

[SpencerH]

Sounds like sour grapes there Che

I dont think Bush is a rocket scientist, but I do think he's a better leader than Gore will ever be, and sometimes thats more important than IQ. I know lots and lots of people with high IQ's that shouldnt be allowed out without a keeper.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Chris 62
I can see your cranky, don't worry, mommy will be home soon to change that diaper.

Can you see my cranky? I don't even have a webcam!!

you don't HAVE to be intelligent to be American president (as history shows), but if i was a voter i'd certainly prefer someone who was!!!

BTW Chris why do you assume people who disagree with you are younger than you? and what bearing on the subject would it have anyway? Don't flatter yourself about the stature thing, (this is a board for a strat game, no big deal), I just like yanking your chain now and again!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SpencerH
You mean we have to go back to a "dumb" president who brought the Soviets to their knees and ended the coldwar, as compared to a "smart" one who brought an intern to hers?

Reagan didn't bring the Soviets to their knees. They did that themselves. Reagan was a rather mediochre president, when the hype and bias are stripped away. By '84 it is clear he was no longer really in charge. According to the minutes of the meetings to which we have access, he slept through most of them. I believe him when he said he couldn't recall anything of Iran-Contra.

If you want an example of a right-wing President I consider smart, take Nixon. Clearly one of the most evil men to hold that office, and among the most corrupt. He was a danger to our democracy and human rights and came close to going to war with the USSR over the 1973 Arab-Israeli War. That doesn't mean I'd consider him dim.

[Ming]

Originally posted by reds4ever
BTW Chris, nice idea for the sig, your name AND your IQ!!!!

Next personal insult from you, and you will be restricted with no warning...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Sounds like sour grapes there Che

I do think he's a better leader than Gore will ever be, and sometimes thats more important than IQ.

Now I will agree with you there. I think Gore showed us how capable he is of handling a crisis in the Florida election BS. If Gore were competent to be President, he'd be President. Bush let his betters handle things for him.

[faded glory]

Probably alot smarter than most people on this forum..

[chequita guevara]

You really like tempting me, don't you? You're my own personal Lucifer.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You really like tempting me, don't you? You're my own personal Lucifer.

I'm jealous. I was hoping for that title.

[Sixchan]

I'd guess he's about average, just a little bit on the mis-informed side.

You also have to remember that speeches are written for leaders, so often they aren't great at public speaking. Bush may say silly things, but that could be simply due to the pressure of millions of people staring at him through TV cameras, and that your mistakes can be seen again and again.

so about 110-120.

[chequita guevara]

cg patpats.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by reds4ever
Can you see my cranky? I don't even have a webcam!!

Your behavior says volumes.

you don't HAVE to be intelligent to be American president (as history shows), but if i was a voter i'd certainly prefer someone who was!!!

Jimmy Carter was extremly intelligent and a terrible president.

BTW Chris why do you assume people who disagree with you are younger than you? and what bearing on the subject would it have anyway? Don't flatter yourself about the stature thing, (this is a board for a strat game, no big deal), I just like yanking your chain now and again! YOUR'RE so pompus it's scary!!

You just feel the need, boy, you can't help it.

Age is not maturity, when you get a little older you may come to realize this.
Look at what's said in the thread, because they don't like him, he is a low grade moron to some, a golden child to others, a fool to a third, and based on what?

When told of his education, we hear how he had bad grades, that his schools wern't tough, he slid by on his old man's coattails...

All sour grapes.

Show proof, or shut up.

So simple even you can do it.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Reagan didn't bring the Soviets to their knees. They did that themselves. Reagan was a rather mediochre president, when the hype and bias are stripped away. By '84 it is clear he was no longer really in charge. According to the minutes of the meetings to which we have access, he slept through most of them. I believe him when he said he couldn't recall anything of Iran-Contra.

Prior to Reagen, there was no evidence that the SU would fall. They looked as strong as they ever had. I can say from personal knowledge that militarily they were at the height of their threat to us at that time. Reagens personal attitude toward them and the US military renewal scared the aging Soviet leadership (who had had it there way in US-Soviet relations for too long). I doubt that Reagen imagined that his policies would have the effect the did, but they were the catalyst for the eventual fall of the SU.

[Sandman]

The fact that he has inadequate command of his mother tongue, even after a university education, should sound warning sirens.

At the very least he should be able to make acceptable public speeches. That is a basic skill needed for leadership, in the same way that an understanding of pipes is needed for plumbing, or ability to ride is needed for jockeying. But he can't.

[chequita guevara]

So what, bad military test scores and mediocre grades aren't proof of less than average intelligence? The fact that the man hasn't succeeded at anything without the intense help of others doesn't say something about his abilities?

He can't answer unscripted questions well. He reads children the same book, over and over, The Hungry, Hungry Catipiller, (what, he can't read another book?), the fact that White House staffers go out of their way to talk about how smart Bush really is . . . it all smells of someone who's less than smart. Maybe I'm just used to really smart people, but he doesn't seem all that average to me.