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Originally posted by Caligastia
If youre so intelligent...then why do you sound like an imbecile?
If youre so intelligent...then why do you sound like an imbecile?
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I propably learned it from you
Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
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The jews bought a lot of the land for israel legally from arabs, if you buy a house, do you have to give it back if your neigbours hate you?Originally posted by MOBIUS
We're talking about Apartheid in Israel, and then you wonder why I think a Jewish state, and not a secular state is wrong...
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Umm, that was 2,000 years ago!Originally posted by Caligastia
Mobius-
Why do you think its ok for arabs to steal the land of Israel, yet you condemn Jews for taking it back? Sounds like you have something against jews to me...
You of all people are on very thin ground, seeing as from where I'm sitting a comment like that means that you're preparing to give New Zealand back to the Maoris!
Hey for a Pakeha, you one good Bro'!
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Feeling guilty?Originally posted by MOBIUS
To me, the emotive issue of Israel is how the nation came into existence.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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You must really look up to me. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.Originally posted by laurentius
I propably learned it from you
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Whatever suits you ,sirQue l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
- Paul ValeryComment
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Same thing though.Originally posted by MOBIUS
Umm, that was 2,000 years ago!
Slightly irrelevant dont you think? Please try to stay on the topic.You of all people are on very thin ground, seeing as from where I'm sitting a comment like that means that you're preparing to give New Zealand back to the Maoris!
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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The title of this thread is disgusting and an insult to blacks in south africa.
Arabs stole the Jew's land 1300 years ago, to be precise, but they never eradicated them completely. Is there a statute of limitations on wrongdoing?Umm, that was 2,000 years ago!...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Sorry, which part don't you like Ned?Originally posted by Ned
I'm sorry, Mobius, but this is beyond the pale. You either do not know the history of the region or you are a racist, slandering ****.
Did the Zionists not lobby the UK, US and UN to allow them to settle Israel and give them part of it as an independent Jewish state?
Did the locals who were already there want them!??
Are there not millions of Palestinian refugees and their descendants who are barred from returning home? Has their land not been, er, 'appropriated?
Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza not illegal in the eyes of the UN?
Are the settlements not being built and expanded in occupied East Jerusalem?
Would you care to enlighten me as to why all that is outlined above is 'beyond the pale'.
Perhaps a brief history of the region from my learned friend is in order?
Just because you don't like the truth, you have to resort to branding me a racist, slandering ****. How very eloquent! Bravo! A rapier-like wit this World has not yet seen until this very day has been unveiled on this very board!
Whereas you are waaaay off the mark with your own slanderous comments unless you can pull apart each and every one of my statements listed above - I can be accurate in the certain knowledge that you, sir, a complete moron...
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Same thing though!Originally posted by Caligastia
Slightly irrelevant dont you think? Please try to stay on the topic.
Whassamatter, don't want to talk about NZ's dubious past...
Don't want to sound a tad hypocritical do we?
Slightly relevant dont you think? Please try not to dodge the question.
Why?The title of this thread is disgusting and an insult to blacks in south africa.
Surely they would be only to happy help others break free from a similar misery they themselves once tasted?
Oooh, my bad - what's 1,300 years between friends...Arabs stole the Jew's land 1300 years ago, to be precise, but they never eradicated them completely. Is there a statute of limitations on wrongdoing?
Wasn't it 1840 when you guys screwed the Maoris over with the Treaty of Waitangi? That was only 162 years ago...
Is there a statute of limitations on wrongdoing?
Bet your parents are going to be happy when you tell them you've signed their house and land over to the local Maori tribe...
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YesOriginally posted by MOBIUS
Did the Zionists not lobby the UK, US and UN to allow them to settle Israel and give them part of it as an independent Jewish state?
Yes again, there were 400, 000 Jews in palestine in 1945 (I can provide net census data to prove this)THEY sure wanted them.Did the locals who were already there want them!??
No. They renounced their claim to the UN resolution of november 1947, and ceded their claims to Egypt, Syria and Jordan, and in so doing, lost all LEGAL right of return. Therefore the land was NOT appropriated, it was lost by those countries when the aggressive war they launched failed.Are there not millions of Palestinian refugees and their descendants who are barred from returning home? Has their land not been, er, 'appropriated?
The UN sees with Jew hating eyes, so it's pointless to even mention them. The arab states outnumber the Jews by something like 60-1 in the UN, who do you think would be favored?Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza not illegal in the eyes of the UN?
It's pretty hard to "occupy" a place your people built and had stolen, don't you think?Are the settlements not being built and expanded in occupied East Jerusalem?
Because you never admit the jews have rights and only condemn them.Would you care to enlighten me as to why all that is outlined above is 'beyond the pale'....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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I dont like the arrogant tone of your posts, if youre going to discuss this with me then treat me with the respect you gave me in person.
New Zealand was not "stolen" from the maoris, they sold it for a few guns and blankets....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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67 was half a lifetime ago, what's 35 years between friends?Originally posted by MOBIUS
Oooh, my bad - what's 1,300 years between friends...
The Jews were there first.Is there a statute of limitations on wrongdoing?
How humorous of you...Bet your parents are going to be happy when you tell them you've signed their house and land over to the local Maori tribe...
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Can I ask Do the pro Israeli poster feel that because the Jewish nation lived in the region 1300 years ago They now have the right to take whatever actions to make it soley Jewish again.
I know that Jews have always lived in the region (since that time).
Also have you taken into account that many of the Jewish families in that region may have become Christians, Muslims or whatever. Do they now loose their rights because they are not Jewish i.e they have lived in the region over this time period but now have to leave.
We cannot forget that the first Christians were actually Jewish this argument cannot be ignored.
How does the we were there first argument hold up to these kind of factors?Cheese eating surrender monkees - Chris 62
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So you agreeOriginally posted by Caligastia
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Er, and I'm sure you know this full well, you should be considering how many Jews were in Israel before the Balfour Treaty... A huge number illegally entered the country during the 30's and 40's. I'm talking about before the wheels were set in motion to begin creating a Jewish State... Either way, they would still have been the minority.Yes again, there were 400, 000 Jews in palestine in 1945 (I can provide net census data to prove this)THEY sure wanted them.
F*ck me, you have a strange sense of fair play...No. They renounced their claim to the UN resolution of november 1947, and ceded their claims to Egypt, Syria and Jordan, and in so doing, lost all LEGAL right of return. Therefore the land was NOT appropriated, it was lost by those countries when the aggressive war they launched failed.
Their leaders renounced the resolution, because they rightly felt they were being shafted! So all the hundreds of thousands of civilians lost their land over the decisions of a few hotheads? How very convenient... It WAS appropriated - BY CONQUEST!
Oh right, yeah I forgot that there's only 61 countries in the UN...The UN sees with Jew hating eyes, so it's pointless to even mention them. The arab states outnumber the Jews by something like 60-1 in the UN, who do you think would be favored?
Silly me!
The UN sees with 'Israel is in the wrong' eyes - naturally all the moderate and level headed governments of the World such as Europe, NZ etc vote against the Israeli occupation...
Yeah, 1,300 years ago - ancient history!!!It's pretty hard to "occupy" a place your people built and had stolen, don't you think? Say didn't the Israelites conquer it from someone else. Shouldn't we give it back to them?
Remember, your family lives on former Maori land - do you not find your argument for Israel strangely at odds with the NZ treatment of the Maoris...?
Some might say that that might be a hypocritical stance?
Jews have rights! As a religion Jews have as many rights in the US for example as Christians!Because you never admit the jews have rights and only condemn them.
What is plain WRONG, is that Jews have more and better rights in Israel and do Palestinians!!!
The point of it being a Jewish State, is that it will never be a secular state - by definition, it HAS to descriminate against non Jewish otherwise it would be a Jewish state!!!
That! In case you hadn't noticed, is the whole point of this thread being called APARTHEID IN ISRAEL...
Oy Vey!
Anywho - much as it is fun running rings around you, I must go to bed!
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