Apartheid in Israel

[Goingonit]

Apartheid is not the name for restricting national immigration, but rather an institutionalized set of laws designed to restrict contact between two races and limit the possible jobs and classes that members of said races can belong to. If Israel had a law, "Palestinians cannot be businessmen" or "Palestinians must sit at the back of the bus", it would then be apartheid.

[Panag]

Originally posted by MOBIUS




What death camps?????????????

Correct me if I'm wrong but 1947 was two years after the war had ended!

That's right - try putting words into my mouth and fall flat on your face through your own colossal stupidity!

(You have to be colossally stupid not to realise that the war ended in '45!)

Still waiting for your replies to my points, you know waiting for you to actually debate instead of hiding behind Siro's apron strings and slandering me...



Why didn't the US take then between '45 & '47 - they had plenty of room and the infrastructure to receive the Jewish refugees?

Apparently the prevailing wisdom is that after surviving against the odds in the hellholes of the death camps, the average Jewish survivor wanted to live the American Dream and NOT go to a hostile land, with a hostile people and a hostile government with an uncertain future... The analogy 'From the Frying Pan, into the Fire' springs to mind...

Apparently the US thought it was a better idea that they went directly to Palestine, thus exacerbating an already difficult problem...

So, I'm waiting for a serious response to the points that I have so far raised, as opposed to your constant personal attacks which are a crude attempt at character assassination...

To me that's just an admission that you've lost this argument...

Siro, I'll waste some time on you later cos I'm going out now - but saying that you don't let Palestinians in because, wait for it, they're Palestinian sounds pretty racist! Apartheid is about segregation.

In SA segregation included seperate beaches, buses etc - that's why I asked the question.

Obviously Palestinians aren't allowed on Israeli buses because, as you said, they aren't even freely allowed into much of the same country that they live in!

That is APARTHEID!

Either they live in the same country (West Bank and Gaza) as the rest of Israel, OR Israel should stop colonising foreign soil and get the f*ck out!

hi ,

---"apartheid" , , hela , dat is niet juist hé , ......

the last line's , hmmm , nope , its our land , ....point , ...

imagine a group of people go to Australia , the start to settle there , want their rights , get them , and then they start to spread like , huh read flood , all over the place , destroying all that has to do with the culture , after 50 years they want ALL of Australia , killing all the other people , .......dont like it , well that is what is going in Erets Israel !!!

and if you want proof , lets get real , allas , who wants to go , ......allready 3 people from apolyton went , ...2 more on a list , .......so who else , ........

this is a sincere question !

"apartheid" is something special , very special indeed , it was even voted in a parlement , this has never happend in Israel , ................EVER , and it shall never happen , and if it does , well the government , what ever it is , is going to get a lot of problem , cause , we , the people shall never let it happen , EVER , and we have the power to back our words !
NEVER , shall it happen , this is against everything a JEW stands for , ......

but then again a lot of people dont even know what a Jew is , they dont even know what an Israeli is , ......



have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by Goingonit
Apartheid is not the name for restricting national immigration, but rather an institutionalized set of laws designed to restrict contact between two races and limit the possible jobs and classes that members of said races can belong to. If Israel had a law, "Palestinians cannot be businessmen" or "Palestinians must sit at the back of the bus", it would then be apartheid.

hi ,

thank you , ...

and this is not the case , ...

however on some busses you have to open your coat , and if you dont like to show your ID , and they ask you to leave , that is not apartheid , .......

its common sence in the whole world , well exept maybe in a country like the US , but even there when the police ask's for your ID , you just show it , ...

and BTW , did anyone took a dictonary to search the word apartheid up , ....in dutch that is

have a nice day

[Carver]

Originally posted by panag





"apartheid" is something special , very special indeed , it was even voted in a parlement , this has never happend in Israel , ................EVER , and it shall never happen , and if it does , well the government , what ever it is , is going to get a lot of problem , cause , we , the people shall never let it happen , EVER , and we have the power to back our words !
NEVER , shall it happen , this is against everything a JEW stands for , ......

If apartheid is against everything a Jew stands for why did Isreal help apartheid South Africa build atomic weapons? Why did Isreal help South Africa build the Atlas Cheetah aircraft (the airframes for which were probably built in Isreal)? Why did Ariel Sharon lobby the Reagan Administration to get more modern weaponry for South Africa in the 1980s?

It seems many Jews support apartheid as long as its not anti-Jewish apartheid.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by panag
imagine a group of people go to Australia , the start to settle there , want their rights , get them , and then they start to spread like , huh read flood , all over the place , destroying all that has to do with the culture , after 50 years they want ALL of Australia , killing all the other people , .......dont like it , well that is what is going in Erets Israel !!!
...
have a nice day

0.5/10

Comparing Pals to insect swarm or rabbits ? eh ? Pityfull.

[S. Kroeze]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

During this period, Palestine was suffering as a result of Jewish terrorism perpetrated by the Irgun and Stern Gang, which directed their attacks against British installations. The terrorists hoped to persuade the British, who had 100,000 troops in Palestine, that continued occupation would be too costly. Both the Irgun and the Stern Gang came out of the right wing of the Zionist movement

LOL

How nice of the writer to omit the Arab resistance, and the Arab massacares and attacks against Jews.

As always - Jews don't matter.

Dear Sirotnikov,

Could you please present a list of ALL Arab terroristic activities and massacres in Palestine between 1939 and 1947?
Since there was so much Arab violence in this period and you are so well-informed about it, this will doubtless be a rather exhausting task; you may restrict yourself to the main lines.
A reliable source reference would be nice, though I have learnt by now not to expect much from your rather shallow academic training.

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

[Panag]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze


Dear Sirotnikov,

Could you please present a list of ALL Arab terroristic activities and massacres in Palestine between 1939 and 1947?
Since there was so much Arab violence in this period and you are so well-informed about it, this will doubtless be a rather exhausting task; you may restrict yourself to the main lines.
A reliable source reference would be nice, though I have learnt by now not to expect much from your rather shallow academic training.

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

hi ,

such a list would be too long to post here , ......

have a nice day

[ZoboZeWarrior]

April 9, 1948 : There was a massacre at Deir Yassin (a small Palestinian village west of Jerusalem). More than 100 people mostly women, children and infants, were killed.

[Panag]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
April 9, 1948 : There was a massacre at Deir Yassin (a small Palestinian village west of Jerusalem). More than 100 people mostly women, children and infants, were killed.

hi ,

that is not what happend , there are enough research materials to know the real thing , ...

april 8 , 48 , 25 jewish woman raped , 6 killed , in a small settlement near Yerusalem , ..

same day , 18 people killed on a boat on lake Tiberias , ....

this is going no-where , .....

have a nice day

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

that is not what happend , there are enough research materials to know the real thing , ...

So what happend ?

Originally posted by panag
april 8 , 48 , 25 jewish woman raped , 6 killed , in a small settlement near Yerusalem , ..

same day , 18 people killed on a boat on lake Tiberias , ....

this is going no-where , .....

have a nice day

that is not what happend , there are enough research materials to know the real thing , ...

[Panag]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior


So what happend ?




that is not what happend , there are enough research materials to know the real thing , ...

hi ,

if you say that it not happend , well you know the internet , go and look for it , ......

have a nice day

[ZoboZeWarrior]

I was just using the same strategy of demonstration as yours (Edit).

I've already made some research about such subject Too much propaganda (from both part) few interesting info.

Since pro-israeli sites are far more numerous, but I'm not sure it's because they are right.

[Ned]

My Israeli friends, Have you ever thought of simply returning Gaza to Egypt and most of the West Bank to Jordan, unilaterally? You already have peace treaties with these two countries.

[CyberGnu]

Ned, interesting suggestion. The stumbling blocks might be that Egypt and Jordan propably don't want the gaza strip and the west bank...

Oh, and the tiny bit about Sharon not being interested in peace since that means he will have to give up his dreams of a grosse Israel.

Would be something for Bush to bring up with Fahid, though...

[CyberGnu]

General, what is your point exactly? If I break one law, I'm allowed to break as many as I want after that with impunity?

And how does that pertain to condemnding Israel for acting like a fascist state, unless you implicitly agree that the conflict is about Israeli greed... the creation of the 1948 Israel is based on greed, there is no question about that, but israeli apologizers usually vehemently deny that the current conflict won't be resolved mainly due to israeli greed.