The Swedish and Belgian Commentators : "Do not vote for Israel".

[TCO]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Of cource americans didn't protest against Chirac, It's after all hard to get the idea to protest against a man you don't know exists.

Little brothers protest. Big brothers just go about business.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by moominparatrooper


No, I guess your sig is all the clue we need to place your particular political bias. Still, it is amazing how much biblical imagery anti-Israeli ranting always seems to generate.

I don't imply it's a concious decision, Bunny. It's in the nature of irrational hatereds that you need to rationalize them, after all, and that isn't by any means an exercise in logic.

Oh, Moomin. You're worth your weight in gold. The sig's just a lyric from That Petrol Emotion. Check them out- they're funky as hell.

Right- we've had knee-jerk assumptions on my religion based on my use of the word "triumvirate" and on my politics due to my taste in pop. You've been waaaaaaayy off the mark with both.

Now I'm off to try to track down my anti-Israeli ranting and irrational hatreds. Any chance of a link? I'm buggered if I know where they are.

[KrazyHorse]

I still don't get the triumvirate thing.

[KrazyHorse]

tri·um·vi·rate Pronunciation Key (tr-mvr-t)
n.
Government by triumvirs.
The office or term of a triumvir.
A body or group of triumvirs.
An association or a group of three. Also called troika.

tri·um·vir Pronunciation Key (tr-mvr)
n. pl. tri·um·virs or tri·um·vi·ri (-v-r)
One of three men sharing public administration or civil authority in ancient Rome.
One of three people sharing public administration or civil authority.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

"An association or a group of three"

Hence the need for a third comedian. Where the christian fundamentalism comes in remains a mystery to me too.

[KrazyHorse]

I don't mean your use of it; I mean his derivation of your religion from its use. Maybe he thought you were saying "Trinity"?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Maybe he thought I said "Arrrgh.....Must... kill all evil Israeli devils in the name of the little baby Jesus"?

[moomin]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
Right- we've had knee-jerk assumptions on my religion based on my use of the word "triumvirate" and on my politics due to my taste in pop. You've been waaaaaaayy off the mark with both.

I can't imagine knee-jerk assumpitions can possibly be applied to such an insignificant thing as your beliefs, political or otherwise. And if you think taste in music doesn't tell volumes about your psychological makeup, think again.

You've injected what passes for informed options - and I hasten too add, probably entirely honestly held by you as legitimately grunges against Israel - based primarly on rationalizations of your own inability to deal with evident latent antisemitism. I realize your primary goal is to troll, but the manner in which you chose to do so is... revealing.

[Pekka]

We have jews (at least one that i know of) in our gov. There just was pro-israel march, and it got news coverage. No jews beaten here. We have often debates in TV, debaters represented both pals AND israelis. Though almost all of them finnish, but former pals and jews. Military experts doesn't condemn israel action. We see everyday pictures of those terrorist action (lately in tel aviv), and they're always represented as terrorist actions against israel from terrorist group x, which has been linked to arafat. Many people think occupation is not the answer, yes, but does that make them anti-semite? We have lots of jews in our community and in visible places too, they haven't condemned us for our 'anti-semite' atmosphere, because there is no such thing.

Of course few rotten apples, but that's the case with every country. We have weak left alliance and right wing hardly exists.
Yes, our former president mr. ahtisaari was the head of that UN inspector team that was denied access. Does that make us anti-semite?
And most of all, we gave points to israel damn it! And we got no points from them (which not a miracle, mostly justice).

Want to have history? During ww2 we were in alliance with gemany. Yes, indeed we were. But that was because we fought SU. Hitler ordered that we have to give our jews to them. I think mannerheim who was ordered to do that said 'no way', and Hitler left the subject ever since. Our jews fought with us. Does that make us anti-semite?
Yet you call us anti-semite.

[Stefu]

During ww2 we were in alliance with gemany.

No. We were German co-belligerents.

[Pekka]

Stefu, thanks for correction. My storage for english words is often limited.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by moominparatrooper


I can't imagine knee-jerk assumpitions can possibly be applied to such an insignificant thing as your beliefs, political or otherwise. And if you think taste in music doesn't tell volumes about your psychological makeup, think again.

You've injected what passes for informed options - and I hasten too add, probably entirely honestly held by you as legitimately grunges against Israel - based primarly on rationalizations of your own inability to deal with evident latent antisemitism. I realize your primary goal is to troll, but the manner in which you chose to do so is... revealing.

You are a work of art. Here's three questions for you.

1- Why do you think using the word "triumvirate" is evidence of Christian fundamentalism? I'm still going to be laughing about that one years from now.

2- Where is the evidence of my latent anti-semitism? Use the "find posts by..." button if you're new. Or struggling.

3- Are you actually capable of backing any of this up? Don't get me wrong- I've seen many smear attempts in my time, but never one quite so surreal.

Come be my plaything, you strange, strange man/woman.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Pekka
We have jews (at least one that i know of) in our gov. There just was pro-israel march, and it got news coverage. No jews beaten here. We have often debates in TV, debaters represented both pals AND israelis. Though almost all of them finnish, but former pals and jews. Military experts doesn't condemn israel action. We see everyday pictures of those terrorist action (lately in tel aviv), and they're always represented as terrorist actions against israel from terrorist group x, which has been linked to arafat. Many people think occupation is not the answer, yes, but does that make them anti-semite? We have lots of jews in our community and in visible places too, they haven't condemned us for our 'anti-semite' atmosphere, because there is no such thing.

Of course few rotten apples, but that's the case with every country. We have weak left alliance and right wing hardly exists.
Yes, our former president mr. ahtisaari was the head of that UN inspector team that was denied access. Does that make us anti-semite?
And most of all, we gave points to israel damn it! And we got no points from them (which not a miracle, mostly justice).

Want to have history? During ww2 we were in alliance with gemany. Yes, indeed we were. But that was because we fought SU. Hitler ordered that we have to give our jews to them. I think mannerheim who was ordered to do that said 'no way', and Hitler left the subject ever since. Our jews fought with us. Does that make us anti-semite?
Yet you call us anti-semite.

Pekka, I for one would not label you an anti-Semite. You look at the facts, weigh the evidence make conclusions that seem to follow logically from that evidence.

I don't share this same opinion, however, with any poster who starts with the premise that Zionism is racism or its equivalent that Israel should never have existed. The end result of this thinking is the destruction of Israel, not the liberation of the Palestinians. There is a difference.

[Pekka]

Ned, Well thank you .

[moomin]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
1- Why do you think using the word "triumvirate" is evidence of Christian fundamentalism?

It's simple really. While engaging in casual Israel-bashing, the cultural context you unwittingly adapt in what I'm sure is an perfectly hosnestly felt rationalization of an anti-semitic stance, derived ultimately from strong and age-long X-ian hatred towards Jews. Being of your particular political bent, you cannot, of course, dress your rationalizations in openly religeous terms, but you can adapt whatever term happens to closely match your mental image with the need to remain fairly within the rational worldview you must strive to uphold, lest you face your real emotional bagage.

2- Where is the evidence of my latent anti-semitism? Use the "find posts by..." button if you're new. Or struggling.

While I thank you for your concern and congratulate you on your attempts at irony - an art, incidentally, in which I'm sure you will eventually develop your nascent talent - I'm afraid there isn't any reason to surf 'Poly for incrimination evidence in your case. For anybody who's reasonably skilled in unearthening the defence mechanism the psyche places around disturbing emotional conflicts your previous rantings in this thread are quite sufficent.

3- Are you actually capable of backing any of this up? Don't get me wrong- I've seen many smear attempts in my time, but never one quite so surreal.

Please don't go all defensive now! The hurt you feel is the first sign of recognition - as you learn to identify and address the particular set of rationalizations you've built around your emotional stance on this issue you will eventually be able to overcome this otherwise fairly crippling condition and advance toward a more healthy and mature outlook.

Come be my plaything, you strange, strange man/woman.

You know, I quite suspected you harboured fears and doubts concerning your sexual indentity as well - so many people wrestling with neuroses do! - but I wasn't quite sure before you came up with that. You will find your balance eventually, I'm sure, but I would recommend that you approach this problem more directly than your other one or you will eventually develop an unsconcious hatred toward sexual minorites, which is unfair to them and also problematic should you find yourself among them.