The Swedish and Belgian Commentators : "Do not vote for Israel".

[Kropotkin]

This thread includes some statements about people that would be labeled as anti-semitic in a second flatt if it had been about jews. Quite stupid ones I might add.

As for the original so called topic of the thread. Not wasting my time on actually watching the show I've just read the Ha'aretz article dealing with the issue. The eurovision song contest is really getting more pathetic for each year. It used to be about lousy music but now it's also about petty politics. It only used to be Cyprus and Greece that did that kind of thing but now the votes of different countries is actually seen as a reflection of those countries attitude towards Israel.

Isn't this a bit too much?!

The Swedish goverment doesn't control the commentaing of the show and i surely hope the Israeli or any other state do that either.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
it's occupation of land, not people.

hi ,

so , its our's , ...........

how would you feel if the belgians "expanded" their borders to where you live , .......

oh yeah , the belgians would sent bombers 5 days of the week as well , .............

who knows , with the belgian foreign minister and his "dreams" , ..

have a nice day

[Oldenbarnevelt]

Although anti-Semitism has never been absent from Europe (and is now on the rise again), I still don't think a majority of Europeans can be called anti-Semites. And there is still a lot of compassion with the Jewish victims of Nazi terror and mass murder.
What a majority of Europeans find hard to accept, however, is the new concept of the assertive Jew, the self-defending Jew, the Jew who uses power to ensure that the Jewish helplessness of the Nazi era, 1933-45, will never return. Only 60 years after Europeans killed six million Jews or stood by while they were being killed, their descendants see fit to once again support anti-Jewish terrorism. They do this under the guise of humanitarian concern for the "Palestinian people". It's easy though to show that many of them have an agenda which is anti-Zionist, or, worse, anti-Semite.
Why do anti-Israel protesters in Europe never fail to remind us that the territories have been occupied for 35 years now, while at the same time never reminding us of the developments that led to the Six Day War and the ensuing occupation (or giving a distorted description of these developments, branding Israel as the aggressor)? Why do they never fail to remind us that Sharon is a "war criminal", while at the same time glossing over the fact that the Sabra and Shatila murders were committed by Christian, Lebanese Arabs for reasons which had an entirely Lebanese character (a revenge for the murder of Christian Lebanese president Gemayel, for which the Christian Arabs blamed the PLO; later it turned out that Syria was behind it).
I have no problem with criticism of Israeli policies as such (I for one have always been against their settlement policies), but European criticism of Israel these days goes far beyond that, and is outrageously biased. I sympathize with those Americans, Canadians, Israelis, etc, who point this out on this forum.

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[moomin]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
The Swedish goverment doesn't control the commentaing of the show and i surely hope the Israeli or any other state do that either.

Jeez, they privatised SVT while I weren't looking? What's the stock ticker, I wanna sell short already!

[Panag]

hi ,

this thread start's to be more and more political , ....
the original topic long gone , .......

now its all about pro Israel and pro Jews versus anti , ......

have a nice day

[moomin]

Thank you for your astute observation, panag.

Have a nice day.

[Tom201]

thats how threads which contain the word Israel in the header, usuall develop, nothing new

[Stefu]

Yeah. You could start a thread called "Fluffy Bunnies Hop Along Israel Happily In Green Meadows Of Southern Wales" and by 5th post it would be all about how Israeli/Arabs are evil.

[Panag]

hi ,


you bunch of thread-jackers , .............shame on you , ......





have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by Stefu
Yeah. You could start a thread called "Fluffy Bunnies Hop Along Israel Happily In Green Meadows Of Southern Wales" and by 5th post it would be all about how Israeli/Arabs are evil.

hi ,

time to find out ; open a thread , ...........

have a nice day

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by moominparatrooper Jeez, they privatised SVT while I weren't looking? What's the stock ticker, I wanna sell short already!

SVT is a network that works on the license payments. The goverment have no control over the channels at all apart from the contract between the state, SVT and TV4.

[moomin]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
SVT is a network that works on the license payments. The goverment have no control over the channels at all apart from the contract between the state, SVT and TV4.

Yup, "apart from the contract" indeed. Apart from the fact that the Social Democrats get to name every single coworker, as long as they don't violate the nepotist rules. Apart from the fact that the board is stuffed with people form Social Democrat associations. "Folkrörelsestyrt", anyone?

Clearly, it's utterly ridiculous to even suggest the Swedish state has anyting to do with SVT. Perish the thought. The reason the Social Democratic party convents get ten time more media coverage in SVT than all other parties combined is that G Persson is just so darn sexy, innit?

[Jaakko]

Actually we Europeans really are a monolithic block evil anti-semites. In fact, we don't even have minds of our own - the communist oppression of our governments has destroyed all signs of self-determination in the people, and now we are just one big hive mind.
As a result we have this pathological hatred of Jews, but due to the deteriorating effect of our communist governments' inefficiency, we have failed to act upon it in any way apart from critique of Israeli policies. The only reason some synagogue strikes have actually succeeded is because they've been committed by Arab immigrants, who haven't quite been assimilated yet.

I hope that clears it up for you furriners.

[Oldenbarnevelt]

Originally posted by Stefu
Yeah. You could start a thread called "Fluffy Bunnies Hop Along Israel Happily In Green Meadows Of Southern Wales" and by 5th post it would be all about how Israeli/Arabs are evil.

You see no relationship whatsoever between calls to NOT vote for Israel, and anti-Israeli / anti-Jewish bias in Europe? Why not ask the starter of this thread?

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[Kropotkin]

Moominparatroper: Have been turned down when applying for a job at SVT, have we?