The Swedish and Belgian Commentators : "Do not vote for Israel".

[Eli]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
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I refer you to your English-Hebrew dictionary. The word is "diplomacy"

Ahmed Yassin refers you to an Arabic-English dictionary. The word is "Jihad".

[Provost Harrison]

Have you wondered why you have elicited a Jihad?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Eli


PH already stopped them.
You still have tens of groups attacking Israel. The Palestinian children are still taught that the Jews are the children of the monkeys and the pigs and that the Jews have no right to exist in this land, streets are still named after suicide bombers, the goverment is still 100% corrupt, people still live in poverty and under strict Islamic law.

When are you going to realise that Pal extremism is of YOUR government's making? You've been screwing over the Pals for decades and thereby marginalising moderate voices and playing into the hands of extremists, delivering them support throughout the Arab world.

Israel is the problem, not the solution.

I tell you what is more likely than Israel being nuked. sooner of later Israel will be put under the kind of boycotts that South Africa was - your treatment of the Pals is little different from apartheid - you make them second class citiznes in their own country.

So no Eurovision, no sporting contacts, no trade, no economic ties. 30 or 40 years of that, maybe less, and you'll come around. Eventually the United States will walk away from you if you continue your current policies, as sure as night follows day.

[Saint Marcus]

Yep, Israeli actions are definetly the biggest source of the problems

[Eli]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
When are you going to realise that Pal extremism is of YOUR government's making? You've been screwing over the Pals for decades and thereby marginalising moderate voices and playing into the hands of extremists, delivering them support throughout the Arab world.

Look on Egypt! Look on Lybia, on Pakistan, on Syria, on Afghanistan, on Saudi Arabia, on Iran, on Iraq! The rhethorics is identical, if not worse. The only difference is that they cant attack Israel, unlike the Palestinians.

It's not "occupation"(97% of the population under Pal control) that causes terror and hatred. It's the poverty, the corruption and the incitement.

If there are lots of moderates and only a few extremists and the occupation "marginalises moderate voices" in Palestine, why does it happen in the whole Arab world?

[faded glory]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
IMO, the US seems to dismiss the blood on Israeli hands just as easily. I really find both sides despicable in their own ways. The Palestinians are insensibly violent and the Israelis are throwbacks to the age of colonialism.

We've done more in ME to bring peace then any other nation.It was mr arafat who deided to reject his best offer which would of gave him almost everything, instead he walked out of CD proclaiming Jerusalem would be part of palestine.

Mr. fat is the only ethnic cleanser. Not ony has he aked for a million suicide bombers, he has begged Saddam to send troops and anthrax . How do you explain this? Sharon isnt committing genocide. This morning, Israel Mossad and army made an inursion into the west bank city of bethlehem. Suprise, Suprise they found, a Suicide bomber in a taxi cab on his way to Israel and several others preparing to do the same.




Our first goal, and rightfully so, is a secure Jewish state so you European Butchers will have to find someone else to scapegoat in ww3.

[Saint Marcus]

It's not "occupation"

40% of the westbank is already in the hands of the israeli settlers.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


40% of the westbank is already in the hands of the israeli settlers.

41%.

Yet, only 3 out of 100 Palestinians live under Israeli rule.

[Saint Marcus]

it's occupation of land, not people.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
it's occupation of land, not people.

The last time I checked the suicide bombers are humans, not trees and rocks.

Question : How many Palestinians live in the major cities in Judea&Samaria and how many in the villages?

[Clear Skies]

I always wonder, how come Israel gets a special word to describe discrimination against them (anti-semitism) and how come it's always dragged up the SECOND anyone even so much as minorly disagrees with them? Maybe Israel would have more support if it wasn't so ****ing touchy!

[Ned]

For those of you who truly believe the occupation is the sole and exclusive cause of Arafat's terrorist acts, how do you explain that Arafat started his terrorist acts prior to 1967 when none of the Palestinians were under occupation?

Believe what fantasies you want, but simply withdrawing from the occupied territories does not change the fact that the terrorist acts have little or nothing to do with the occupation. They have everything to do with Israel's presence in Palestine.

Again, please explain why the terrorist acts by Arafat began before the Six Day War.

[lightblue]

Geez you guys always drag up the same arguments don't you?

Basically the European viewpoint is that both sides are as guilty as the other. The Palestinians for their incitement of violence against civilians, Israelis for their excessively hard handed retaliations. Both sides routinely flaunt basic human rights, and tbh I don't see why we're still trading with either of them. But then most Euros will do anything for a quick buck or two.

And I wish the pro-Israel people would finally get it thru their thick skills that be against the actions of the Israeli state does not mean we're against the Israeli people (or Jews for that matter). The slight rise in anti-semitic attacks in Europe has mostly been attributed to radical Muslim groups and some far right groups who will use any excuse to do stupid stuff.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by VetLegion


nonsense there were 40000 of them by the end of the war, thats nothing for country of that size. and their effectivness is legendary (ever seen "Alo, Alo" )
yugoslav partisans on the other hand had a very very hard time.

Yeah, the Yugoslav guerillas actually managed to defeat the Nazis all on their own.

We also now know about the extent of collaboration by French goverment officials and citizens. Come to think of it, there was a fair amount of that running around throughout all of occupied Europe. Can anyone here say "Waffen SS"?

[Ned]

Originally posted by lightblue
Geez you guys always drag up the same arguments don't you?

Basically the European viewpoint is that both sides are as guilty as the other. The Palestinians for their incitement of violence against civilians, Israelis for their excessively hard handed retaliations. Both sides routinely flaunt basic human rights, and tbh I don't see why we're still trading with either of them. But then most Euros will do anything for a quick buck or two.

And I wish the pro-Israel people would finally get it thru their thick skills that be against the actions of the Israeli state does not mean we're against the Israeli people (or Jews for that matter). The slight rise in anti-semitic attacks in Europe has mostly been attributed to radical Muslim groups and some far right groups who will use any excuse to do stupid stuff.

Lightblue, The way I see it, the Euro's do not have any solution but unilateral surrender by Israel. That is not going to happen. So, the EU position simply prolongs the violent stalemate until a country like Iraq or Iran acquires the bomb. Then we will have nuclear war in the ME.