Official Star Wars Kicks Arse Thread

[Saint Marcus]

Don't even get me started on the relative Industrial capacity of the Federation vs. The Empire.

(Borg + Dominion + Federation + Romulans + Klingons + Breen + Cardassians) > Empire

Hell, even the Borg alone are vastly superior to The Empire. Those Stormtroopers will make nice drones for the Collective.

[Saint Marcus]

And before any starts talking again on how much Star Wars is better than Star Trek.

Star Wars: 5 movies (will only get 1 more)
Star Trek: 9 movies (and counting), 5 TV-series (in total 25 seasons of episodes, and counting)

Also, Star Trek started a decade before Star Wars.

All in all, Star Trek is far, FAR, bigger than Star Wars.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
And before any starts talking again on how much Star Wars is better than Star Trek.

Star Wars: 5 movies (will only get 1 more)
Star Trek: 9 movies (and counting), 5 TV-series (in total 25 seasons of episodes, and counting)

Also, Star Trek started a decade before Star Wars.

All in all, Star Trek is far, FAR, bigger than Star Wars.

Star Trek Movies: Only 3 of them were decent, same as SW so far. And the only Trek TV show that was really any good consistently was DS9.

Let's compare the box office grosses of Star Trek and Star Wars, shall we? There were also several other SW related films and shows (2 ewok movies, the Droids cartoon shows, etc.).

Star Wars also has a much larger merchandizing empire than Star Trek. SW-related computer games (X-wing, TIE Fighter, Rebel Assualt, Jedi Knight, etc.) have far outsold any ST computer games, which all tend to be bought only by trek-nerds. And there are the SW console games like Rogue Squadron, the SW arcade games that have been around forever.

I think if you compare fan bases, you will see many more people who love SW as opposed to ST. However, the love of SW tends to run a large gamut of people, while ST tends to be focused solely on the "Trekkers," or hardcore fans.

[Boris Godunov]

Oh, and I forgot...Action figures and toys. SW has ST beat hands-down here. What kid ever plays with Trek toys?

AND...don't be so sure there will only be 1 more SW movie. Why would the studios let a cash cow like that die? Even if Lucas doesn't do them, someone else will undoubtedly want to make Ep. 7-9.

[DinoDoc]

It had better be Timothy Zahn.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
What, the Tech Manuels?

Who said anything about tech manuals?

Hence, the ICS reads more like Janes defense guide than a kiddie book.

ICS?

Don't even get me started on the relative Industrial capacity of the Federation vs. The Empire.

Need I point out how quickly the Federation rebuilt thier entire fleet after it was decimated at Wolf 359?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It had better be Timothy Zahn.

Agreed.

Oh, and while I generally find the "Who would win a battle" thing silly, as we're talking two fictional universes where anyone could make up anything, I think the Federation would have two huge advantages:

1) Capital ship maneuverability. The SW cap ships are lumbering behemoths that pretty much sit there and shoot. The ST ships are fast and can do things the SW ones can't. See the space battles in the last season of DS9...the dominion wars. Wow!

2) The Empire has a nasty habit of being stupid, like placing their most vulnerable spot at the end of a long trench with a sign that says "Insert torpedos here to destruct"

[Saint Marcus]

Don't even get me started on the relative Industrial capacity of the Federation vs. The Empire.

btw, how many ships does the empire have? pretty few compared to the number of ships the Federation has. In the battle to retake DS9 the Federation had some 500 ships. The Dominion 1000. And these are 90% starships, not pesky little fighters like in Star Wars.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


btw, how many ships does the empire have? pretty few compared to the number of ships the Federation has. In the battle to retake DS9 the Federation had some 500 ships. The Dominion 1000. And these are 90% starships, not pesky little fighters like in Star Wars.

The Imperial fleet consists of 25,000 Imperial-class Star Destroyers. Each ISD holds something like 60 fighters, so that is 1.5 million fighters on the ISDs alone. That doesn't include the smaller capital ships, such as frigates and dreadnaughts, each with their own starfighter compliment. Then there are also the 7 SSDs, each with 144 starfighter compliment and are roughly 15-17 km long...

[Saint Marcus]

Why don't they have use that potential? in all the SW battles only a small number of star destroyers were present.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Why don't they have use that potential? in all the SW battles only a small number of star destroyers were present.

Think of how big an entire galaxy is. And think how an Empire that controls that whole galaxy with an iron fist would have to maintain control. The Imperial fleet is spread around the galaxy to keep order. Each sector fleet is strategically positioned so it can jump to a troublesome system in a matter of hours. Remember, interstellar travelling in SW is much faster than in ST.

The reason there weren't more ships at Endor is because taking ships away from the sectors would mean potential revolts agains Imperial governors, and also the Emperor was cocky and way overconfident. The fleet at Endor was a mere sliver of the entire fleet (and was most likely, since the Executor was in command, the Death Fleet that hunted the Rebels down in ESB), and most of it actually escaped intact. It was the subsequent power vacuum and civil wars among upteen imperial admirals and governors that led to a swift collapse of the Empire.

[Faeelin]

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1) Capital ship maneuverability. The SW cap ships are lumbering behemoths that pretty much sit there and shoot. The ST ships are fast and can do things the SW ones can't. See the space battles in the last season of DS9...the dominion wars. Wow!

2) The Empire has a nasty habit of being stupid, like placing their most vulnerable spot at the end of a long trench with a sign that says "Insert torpedos here to destruct"

1) They're also pathetically puny. Even if each of the enterprise's main cannon is 5x the power of a turbolaser, that's still a 100:1 ratio.

2) Yes, but the federation is so bland, peaceful, and unimagnative that they wouldn't catch on.

[Boris Godunov]

Remember, also, that the vast majority of the SW movies take place in remote backwaters of the galaxy, where Imperial presence and resources are at their smallest. Naturally, the huge bulk of Imperial forces--which, keep in mind, draw on literally trillions of beings for manpower--will be in the Core of the galaxy, where the bulk of the population is and where the most important systems are.

[CapTVK]

Having seen the movie here's my quick synopsis of the entire movie (no spoilers).


part 1: Bladerunner for kids, starwars style
part 2 : two plots here:
(A) Obi Wan becomes a PI (some actual action involved - wheee! )
(B) Sounds of music starwars style (look how good Anakin is saying his lines!)
part 3 (3/4 of the way now): classic action indiana jones style with some large battle scenes at the end.


If you've already seen previous SW movies I don't think you'll fully enjoy it. Because you're familiar with the characters and foreknowledge of what's going to happen. Add to this that the plot and the acting are creaking at the seams all the way -they'll need a list longer than than the Red Dwarf plothole/inconsistency-FAQ to patch it-.

Kids will probably love it.

Final note: I saw LOTR two times in the cinema .I'll not do the same with SW: Clone Wars

[OzzyKP]

I had heard bad things about the movie, and I had the load of crap Phantom Menace in my head going to see Attack of the Clones, but surprizingly I really liked it. I'm not going to rank the 5 star wars flicks, but I don't think AOTC is nearly as bad as many of you are making it out to be.

Sure the acting was bad, but i think the plot was excellent. EP1 was very jumpy, scenes would not transition nicely at all, it was a big mess of choppy cut and paste. AOTC was very good with this I thought. Plus the mood was much darker and more serious.

I have more respect for Lucas now.

I do agree with Tingkai though, that making Dooku in league with Palpatine was a bit lame. The scene where Dooku was trying to convince Obi Wan that the sepperatists were the good ones was golden. This is the type of plot complexity this series should be glorifying.

EP1-3 are supposed to deal with the transition of a Republic into a dictatorship, I would love to see it be done with more craft so that the audience cheers on the Republic until the very end when they realize, oh crap, you mean the Republic is the bad guys now?

Having one source of evil and mishap that drives the entire plot is a bit shallow. I'd more like an unwitting Palpitine, who does have good intentions at the start and then gets corrupted as the people give him more power. Now he is just some evil figure manipulating the galaxy for his own gain.

I want Dooku to truly be the good guy, and the Jedi just not realizing it until its too late. It seems like this was what they were working towards, then they put the movie to a focus group of idoits and decided it was too complex, so they threw in the last scene where Sidious and Dooku meet.