Am I a anti-semitist?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Ned
Ethelred, I believe the Syrians are descended from the Assyrians who were and are an Indo-
European people. (snip)

Ned

Ned, you may be thinking of the Hittites, who were a major IE power in the region before the Assyrians. The Assyrians came from the same general direction (ie north, though more to the east), but their power waned later IIRC.

[James Adams]

I blame the war on the British and France for the way we treated the Middle East during and after the First World War!

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Hey you got one thing right ouit three. The lies you just told are clearly false. I didn't say those things.

Go back and look, it's all there, unless you edited it.
The following are taken DIRECTLY from your posts, Nazi:

I guess that makes me an anti-semite then. Israel is there now and the world has to deal with it but it should never have been created.
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They weren't being slaughtered in 1948. Not even in Palestine. The First Arab-Israeli War started after the state of Israel was founded. Did they bother to ask the Arabs living in Palestine if they wan't to live in state run by European refugees?
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Fighting began before 1947.
You seem to be confused.
Or lieing.
These are your posts boy, I'm not editing them.
You have been lieing for days.
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It was all theirs. Why the heck should they give the land to a bunch of Europeans? The Jewish refugees were not Israelites they weren't Paletinians they were foreigners. Purchasing some land from individuals is quite a bit different from taking the whole place and setting a up a state that was designed to keep the Arabs from having any real power in their own land.
One of the many things I and others told you was the jews were there for centuries, and I backed that up.
All you have is this racist statement with no backing..C
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It was Turkish controlled land. Arabs were the main inhabitants. That they had not governed had nothing to do with that. If a vote had been held, in keeping with UN principles, which group would have had control?
You drone on about self determination, yet you allow none for jews, you pig.
You were shown chapter and verse that they were there for over 3,000 years. Are you saying that the idea of self determination doesn't apply to this minority? Or is it becuase they are jews? The whole place didn't go to Israel, just those areas where Jews lived.
THAT is self determination, you moron.
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The only reason there were a lot of Jews there is because they had moved in to create a state. That is hardly a justification for what followed.
I don't dispute your numbers but they had changed cosiderably in just a few years. It was rather akin to an invasion aided and abbeted by Britain.
The major immigrations were blocked by Britain, they started AFTER the begining of the war of independance, as the links show, not before.
In other words, another lie by YOU.
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Neither Britain nor the League of Nations had any legal or moral justification in assigning that land to European Jews. Indeed such an action would directly violate the later UN orginazation basic concepts of self-determination.
Once again, refer to the links, they put the lie to your statement.
They weren't European Jews in 1917, they were already there, YOU IDIOT.
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It HAD been primarily Arab for 1800 years it simply did not have Arab rulers the whole time.
You asked the purpose of the time line, assinine posts like this were the reason.
There were NO arabs in Palestine in 100 AD
You don't know what your talking about.
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European Jews had engaged in guerilla warfare and terrorist warfare with the British for a considerable time before that.
More lies by you. The Irgun and Stern gang were not European, they were NATIVE to palestine.
This is the real basis of your lies, the claim that no Jews were in Palestine before 48.
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The Arab neighbors started fighting when European Jews declared Israel a state. They simply declared it. They allowed no vote since after all they were the minority.
You are so stupid it's amazing. How many times do you need to be told it wasn't European Jews?
Also, you have no concept of self-determination.
It means each group decides what they want.
The Jews wanted a nation, your arab friends attempted to deny this.
No historian disputes this in the slightest.
Only racist dumb-asses like YOU.
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Fighting started in 1947 because someone decide they had the right to partition land without bothering to have a vote. Are you trying to justify that high handed behaviour?
Didn't you say the war started in 48?
Or where you lieing.
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Apparently you aren't being honest. Making up my position like that.
You said this to Ned. I wasn't even involved in the conversation at this point.
I guess he's lieing also.
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The Jews were a minorty in 1948 and a much smaller minority in 1917 when the British began their policy of encouraging Jewish migration to Israel.
Earlier, you said they were from Europe.
here you admit that they were there.
You still don't understand that Britain blocked immigration at every opprotunity.
You say you never lie, but you seem to have real trouble maintaining consistancy.
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Then you give the locals an option to move out if they want. Whatever you do you don't go the partitioning route.
This is DIRECTLY contrary to the principle of self determination.
You seem to think that Palestine couldn't be split up, but as the links show, there WAS NO PALESTINE before 1948.
Add to it, the idea is for people to decide what they want.
By your thinking, all of Palestine goes to the Arabs, the 35% of Jews are not allowed a say on their own land or their own future.
I'm not talking about the holocaust survivors, they come AFTER the partition, not before.
YOU seek to disenfrancise Jews.
You are sickening.
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This mess is due to British duplicity.
Only insofar as the Balfour declaration.
The Jews were getting their homes back.
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The only imperialism involved in this is Englands actions in thinking they had the right to create a Jewish state via the Balfour Declaration.
You seem to think that Britain set all this up.
If you go and read the links, spefically the Partition plan, you will see that the UN granted self determination based on ethnic lines, not Britain.
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The solution was not partitioning or forming a Jewish state. A democratic state made up of Arabs and Jews would have been the just action AFTER the mess the Brits created had to be dealt with.
Again, profound misunderstanding from you.
By Islamic law, what you propose is illeagal.
Go read up on this.
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They were expelling Jews because the Jews wanted to create a Jewish state in a area the was even then still primarlily Arab.
Read the history.
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I note than no one has given a justification for the British high handed efforts to create a state for Europeons on some one elses land.
Read. I grow weary of this, but even you must see it by now.
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Radical Zionists had intended to form the state of Israel for a long time before that. Israel was carved out of Palestine because some Jews thought they had a birthright from Jehovah to the land even after nearly 1800 years of seperation.
Your racism is showwing, deary.
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There is the UN held right of self-determination. That was abrogated in the creation of Israel for the non-Jews in the territory.
Yet the fact that you are disenfrnchising Jews doesn't concern you.
You are a racist.
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Ahh but the Arabs are the one group that DIDN'T invade.
You claim you never said this. Were you lieing?
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They filled in the empty land after the Romans drove out the Jews.
See above.
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The Bible is quite clear that the Israelites stole the land from its previous inhabitants.
You claim, flat out, you never said this.
Your a liar, dear boy.
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The pretext being that Jehovah gave it to them. If it was given they wouldn't have had to fight. They took it.
Again, you claim you never said this, your "three out of four were lies".
You are pathetic.

I don't see where there is vote going on there Chris. Do you have a clue what self determination is? You don't seem to. I don't see where there was a vote for the establishment of Israel either.

Er, you don't seem to grasp the concept.
If I'm a jew, and I want something, that's self determination.
No arab was a right to tell a jew he can't have a country.
I was right all along.
You have no concept of what you are talking about.

No vote equals no self determination.

The Jews voted, the Arabs said it's all ours, we are taking it.
You already made clear what side your on.

They were guests. It wasn't their homeland. They hadn't been there for 1800 years. It was someone else home.

Dumb-ass.

No they aren't. There is a NOW a state called Israel. The Iriquois were a nation. They had a government and the local organizations collaberated with each other (when they weren't fighting with each other).

Ha ha ha ha , what a stupid anology.
I won't even go into how foolish that is.

I said the Bible doesn't use the word but that the actions were that of theft by conquest.

Go look at your own quote.

Its pretty clear in the Bible. Perhaps you should actually look at before you proclaim what is and is not in it. Start with Deuteronomy but don't eat first as its nasty, mean, and savage.

Exact passages, dear boy.
If it's so plain, this should be simple, no?

Your delusions are you problem. Please keep them to yourself.

Best look at your own lies sonny.

You mean I refuse to accept what you say. Without evidence I am not accepting anything.

You were given evidence, but like all bigots, you ignore it.

You ranted like a Adolf Hitler.

Interesting.
You act and think like him.

How? It didn't show it from what I can see. Be specific.

Do woodpeckers attempt to drill that wooden head of yours?

Telling the truth is not racist.

No, it's not.
To bad you never did.

You have ranted and lied and called me names time and again.

Look at your own quotes, jerk-off.
You can't run from that, it's plain for all to see.

On one single occasion you posted some links. Nothing in them contradicted me unless it was hidden. That is why you must be specific.

You are specifically a fool and a racist.

You can tell me I am Nazi an infinite number of times. It won't make it so.

Most racists have thick skin, that's how they ignore their victim's cries.

It was done on a couple of minor points. Nothing that would change my conclusion as there was nothing that showed self determination or a Jewish right to a modern state in the Middle East.

Learn some history, you fool.

Posting the same error time and again won't change things.

You witless attempts to cover your bull fool hardly nobody.

Thats clan. The KKK doesn't like Catholics or Agnostics so that leaves me out even if I was psychotic enough to join.

You certainly have the mindset and temprement to join.

However you would fit right in. You certainly have the hate filled part down pat.

Of scum like you?
Always.

It is clear you have a great deal of hate anyway.

Your own posts convict you, loser.

If you persist, I will continue to pull your own bull-sh1t posts.

You can't escape it.

You are exsposed.

[Kropotkin]

For ****s sake give it up you two ****ers!!
Chris62; I know you have some serious trouble keeping track of what people actually says and what that implies. Calling him a nazi is plain stupid. That however hardly justifies any of you. This has been just spam for a number of pages now. There where actually some people talking about other things here but that's just drowned in this mindless and idiotic spam!!!

[Chris 62]

Read what he says.

I pulled it from his posts.

[Kropotkin]

I've read those posts you just refered to. That does not make him a nazi.

[Ecthy]

Watch out, Kropotkin, he's an airborne...

[Kropotkin]

Yes I know he's 'airborne' but enough is enough. I'm not gonna sink to his level even if he's airborne.

Case closed (for my part)!

[Ecthy]

I was being ironic.

And I stopped trying to discuss along, it just seems everyone wants to get his side through, and noone cares for the children anymore...

[Kropotkin]

(yeah I know )

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Yes I know he's 'airborne' but enough is enough. I'm not gonna sink to his level even if he's airborne.

Case closed (for my part)!

Sink to my level?

You mean you refuse to recognize racism?

I withdrawl my intial post to you.

Your no better then him.

[Ecthy]

I don't see any racism here, while I've read many many articles from many many serious reporters about many many incidents where the Israeli forces acted in a manner that would be considered 'racist' if it wasn't for screaming guys like you, Chris

Get real. And get rid of that "U R all gay anti semites" attitude.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
I've read those posts you just refered to. That does not make him a nazi.

Nazis said Jews had no rights, were alien invaders.

Etheladolph says Jews have no rights, were alien invaders.

You don't see the connection?

[Ecthy]

That's the silliest comparison I have ever read.

What am I doing? You MUST be trolling, you can't be that dumb otherwise you'd lack the ability to type.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
I don't see any racism here, while I've read many many articles from many many serious reporters about many many incidents where the Israeli forces acted in a manner that would be considered 'racist' if it wasn't for screaming guys like you, Chris

Get real. And get rid of that "U R all gay anti semites" attitude.

Stay out of this andy, this isn't a joke.