Am I a anti-semitist?

[Kropotkin]

Welcome all (well not all, some i would rather be without ) to this thread about me! (no i'm not an ego, no way )

The reason for this thread and (possibly somewhat) provoking title is the current leaning of the ongoing Israel/Palestine debate here at the OT. I've seen quite a few statements, links and articles that points out Europans and lefties criticism of the policies of the goverment/state of Israel in the areas ocupied in 1967 and against the palistinian populace.

Since I'm at least geographicaly speaking am a european and my views often have a left-wing perspective because of my socialist background (although i'm not a socialist in the most convetional form or definition)...

...And...

Since almost all criticism from people like me (in the broades form of definiton of 'me' as explained above) have been labeled as grounded in ati-semitism;

I'd like to ask all those that more or less regulary takes part in the ongoing OT debate on the issue and thus have some grasp of my view considers me a anti-semite. I've never considered myself as one but some recent statements not directly aimed at me but still aimed in my direction seems to imply that.

I'm intrested to hear...

[DinoDoc]

Anti-semitist isn't a word.

[Goingonit]

You are an antisemite not if you believe Israel is responsible for the current conflict but if you believe that Jews are.

[Ecthy]

That's not it either.

You'd be one if you thought they were evil because they are what they are.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
That's not it either.

You'd be one if you thought they were evil because they are what they are.

That's the extreme example. If you identify someone with something they didn't do, solely because of their race, you're racist.

[Ecthy]

But how is it antisemitic to say the conflict was fed by the Jews? That's just a plain generalization.

In my understanding antisemitism is racism against Jews that does not occur together with racism against other peoples or does to a higher extent. Or something like that.

[Eli]

I classify people who deny the Jewish right for an independent state in their homeland as anti semites.

You dont have to agree with Israel's policies, you can compare Israel to Nazi Germany(in this case you're stupid, not anti semite), you can think that the 1947 borders are the correct ones, etc. But denying the right of the People of Israel to have a state in the Land of Israel puts you on my black list.

[Ecthy]

And who cares for YOUR list?

[DinoDoc]

Does this get me on the list? I hope so.

Originally posted by Eli
I classify people who deny the Jewish right for an independent state in their homeland as anti semites.

You had Uganda in your grasp and you turned it down. Your all idiots in my book.

[Ecthy]

Can someone explain to me the matter between Israel and Uganda?

[Heresson]

I classify people who deny the Jewish right for an independent state in their homelan

The problem is that Jews have no homeland.
It's not Palestine at least. Perhaps Polesie...

[Urban Ranger]

Rats. I guess that makes me an antisemite, being a) a leftist b) critical of Israeli policies c) do not agree that the Jews have/had more rights to a piece of land than the people who have been living on it for centuries.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
But how is it antisemitic to say the conflict was fed by the Jews? That's just a plain generalization.

The conflict was fed by CERTAIN Jews. Noam Chomsky, for example, is a Jew but did not feed the conflict. If you group him with Ariel Sharon purely by virtue of race, that's anti-semitism.

[Eli]

Re: Does this get me on the list? I hope so.

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You had Uganda in your grasp and you turned it down. Your all idiots in my book.

Even if the Zionist movement had accepted Uganda the project would've failed. The vast majority of the Jews wouldn't have left their homes to some hellhole in Africa. Everything was spinning around Jerusalem.

c) do not agree that the Jews have/had more rights to a piece of land than the people who have been living on it for centuries.

There is nothing wrong in that. The question is whether they have this right at all? Thinking that the Jews have this right but they should have only the Greater Israel/67/47/Phil comitee/whatever borders is the same in principle. As long as you dont deny the right for a state like Heresson, who apparently forgotten what his countrymen did not a while ago, does.

[Kropotkin]

Ok, besides the attack on my unfortunate spelling i don't get a dencent answer...