Am I a anti-semitist?

[Kropotkin]

Not that my original subject has anything to do about this thread anymore but is it really necissary to keep up that childish behavior here Chris62? Enough is enough.

[Chris 62]

It's needed when you tell a guy facts for three pages, and his answer is "they stole the land" and "have no rights".

And I'll thank you to recall why I was forced to tell off that bigot.

[Al'Kimiya]

Originally posted by Ned


Al'Kimiya, Thanks for fixing that for me. But on language, do you agree that by 600 most Syrians spoke Greek?

As for Indo-Eurorpeans in the area, I found this very good "summary" link. Summary.

Ned

Well the Syrians haven't got much except the name from Assyria. Since Arab expansion didn't begin until Mohammed they couldn't have been Arab. Greek sounds plausible, at least for language. Maybe an amalgam of different "races".

[Kropotkin]

Maybe I'm kicking in open doors here but iirc the origins of the syrians is unknown or should I say undecided.

There's both people that call themselves syrians and assyrians (as they are supporters of the link to Assyria). There's no differences between these groups besides this, they can in theory even be brothers, sisters or father and son.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Well actualy both of those are opinions not facts.

There are facts !

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Your either a moron or an anti-semite, there is no third possibility.

Sure there is a third. You are an ill mannered ignorant lout. All evidence supports this.

This post alone makes it clear what a liar you are. You promised you were through responding to me.

Your not going to read your own posts anymore?

See above.

Why would I want to be like you?

I don't know. You just brought that one up yourself so you can answer it. I would suppose you might finally be noticing you are inept.

Anyone that reads what you say sees it.

Well since I haven't a darn thing that is anti-semetic they would have to invent just as you have.

Spew your hate elsewhere fool, your exposed here.

I haven't said one hatefull thing. Not even towards you. That was just pity.

Are these imaginary people, like your imaginary facts?

I supported myself. I note that you have yet to even try to support yourself.

Nobody could ever take that title from you.A group of monkees could post better then you.

Well then you must be lower than monkeys. Perhaps not even a primate.

More factually and logically as well, I might add.

Well you CAN add. Amazing. I thought you might only be able to count fingers.

Lets see some those dazzleing facts that can support you.

God, it's amazing how stupid you are
Were you born like this, or did someone bash your head at some point?

Its amazing you can even type. I have it now, you use voice recognition. That would explain how someone without a clue could even post on Apolyton at all.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha,
Showing, as usual, that you don't belong here.
Lefty is the worst speller by far.

The one does not follow the other.

People like you are an abomination.
The other folks here are to polite to tell you, but I don't waste time with fools like you.

You said that the last time. You have an amazing difficulty of even keeping your own word. The other folks around here might have noticed that I have supported myself. You have not.

Go crawl back under your rock, loser.

How devastating. A Maroon calling me a loser. I am so shattered I can't stand it.

Why there is even a possibilty that you might actually keep your word this time. Well that cheers me up. You may actually not reply like you promised the last time. Then what would I do for entertainment. Well I guess I can't have everything. Either way is good. Keep you word this time and I won't have you telling more lies about me. Don't keep it and I get more fun. Either way I come out ahead.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Chris 62
It's needed when you tell a guy facts for three pages, and his answer is "they stole the land" and "have no rights".

YOU have not given any facts. Others have. But some of the facts are in dispute and the conclusions from those facts are also in dispute.

And I'll thank you to recall why I was forced to tell off that bigot.

You didn't take you medicine this week.

[S. Kroeze]

Originally posted by Ned
Al'Kimiya, Thanks for fixing that for me. But on language, do you agree that by 600 most Syrians spoke Greek?

I cannot speak for Al'Kimiya, but I can assure you that by 600AD most Syrians did not speak Greek or some other European language.
Yes, the ruling elite and most people in the cities did speak Greek, BUT the people in the countryside -and far more people were living in the countryside than in the cities- did speak some SEMITIC language!

"Aramaic superseded the various languages of the conquered countries and beginning with the 8th century BC it became the international language of the near east, as well as the official language of the Persian empire. The period of its greatest extension was from c. 4th century BC to the 7th century AD at which time it was supplanted by Arabic. Until the beginning of the Christian era there were no outstanding dialectal variations in the language called Common Aramaic. The language was then divided into West Aramaic and East Aramaic. The documents of Common Aramaic are various in kind. The inscriptions of principalities of Syria, such as the kings of Hama between Damascus and Aleppo and of the kings of Samal found in Zinjirli to the north of Aleppo, date from the 9th to the 8th century BC. The inscriptions of the Jewish colony of Elephantine (Aswan) in Egypt date from the 7th to the 4th century BC. The Aramaic sections of the Bible (parts of Ezra and Daniel) date from the 4th to the 2nd century BC.

The dialects of West Aramaic are: Judeo-Aramaic, Samaritan, Palestinian-Christian, Nabataean, Palmyrene and Western Neo-Aramaic. Judeo-Aramaic is the dialect of certain Aramaic works found among the Dead Sea scrolls; of the Palestinian Targums, i.e., the translations of the Bible into Aramaic; of the Palestinian Talmud compiled in the 5th century AD; and of some inscriptions. Samaritan is represented by the translation of the Pentateuch in the 4th century AD, and by some other prayers and religious works. Palestinian-Christian is the dialect of sections of a translation of the Old and New Testaments, and of some religious texts translated by the Christian Melkites of Palestine in the 8th and 9th centuries AD. Nabataean is the Aramaic dialect used by Arabs of Arabia Petraea and of Hauran to the east of Palestine, in the inscriptions found on the caravan roads through Sinai, northern Arabia, Transjordania dating from the 1st century BC to the 4th century AD. Palmyrene is the dialect of the inscriptions of Palmyra, to the northeast of Damascus, dating mainly from the first three centuries AD. Western Aramaic is still spoken in the mountainous regions of the Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon in the villages of Ma‘lûla, and Bah‘a and Guba‘dîn.

East Aramaic includes Syriac, the Aramaic of the Babylonian Talmud, Mandaic, and Eastern Neo-Aramaic. Syriac was the language of Edessa (modern Urfa), the centre of Christianity at the end of the 2nd century. Since the 5th century AD owing to theological differences, Syriac-speaking Christians have been divided into Nestorians or East Syrians under the Persian sphere of influence, and Jacobites or West Syrians under the Byzantine sphere. These two groups became linguistically distinguished by certain differences in pronunciation. The greatest period for Syriac literature was between the 3rd and 7th centuries. The Aramaic of the Babylonian Talmud, compiled in the 6th century, is another important dialect of the East Aramaic group."
(source: "Encyclopaedia Britannica", article on 'Semitic languages')

I guess this settles this point of discussion!

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Well actualy both of those are opinions not facts.

There are facts !

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Ethelred


YOU have not given any facts. Others have. But some of the facts are in dispute and the conclusions from those facts are also in dispute.

Your a bigot and a moron.

All I did was give you facts, you idiot.

All you did was deny it and say dumb sh!t.

In fact, you came up with the all time stupidest intrepretation of the mid east:

The Jews were "guests" who took over!

There is no other way to talk to you, you are a total ass-hole.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Either way I come out ahead.

The only thing you come come out ahead of is an ignorence contest.

Nobody else could come close, loser.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior


There are facts !

Indeed there are facts. Those weren't among them.

Rights are based on either laws, force, or opinion. What you claimed was based on opinion as there are few international laws regarding the formation of nations and force speaks for itself.

Human rights are invented by humans. There is nothing outside us to give those rights. We must make them for ourselves. Since there is yet to be any real international law except the Law of the Sea we can't really point to any legal rights. We can however use principles that have been accepted by the UN as a starting point.

The basic principle in the UN regarding nationality is self determination. Well that didn't happen in the Middle East. The League of Nations and Great Britain just went in and forced things.

What happened to the Jews in WWII was a terrible tragedy and a great evil. This however does not justify creating a nation of mostly European Jews in the Middle East. In fact it had nothing to do with the idea of a Jewish state there. The basis of that idea long preceeded WWII. It seems mostly based on ancient historical claims that inherently deny rights to the people that were then living in the Middle East.

Chris is ranting that I called the founders of Israel thieves. I did no such thing. I said they AND the Brits AND the League of Nations AND anyone else that was involved chose to get rid of a problem by denying UN agreed upon rights to the then present inhabitants of the land.

Jew can and do function in a number of nations. The claim made by some of the creators of Zionism that Jews are downtrodden because they are stateless simply ignores this fact. I understand the desire for a state based in Jerusalem but it simply ignores 1800 years of intervening history.

Now to repeat for those that are having a real hard time accpepting the idea that someone can think founding Israel was a big mistake without also being a bigot.

I have said many times that I am ONLY talking about the justification for and the founding of Israel. I am not saying that Israel should be wiped out. An anti-semite is a term that referst to people that hate Jews just because they are Jewish. Claiming that it includes people that think Israel was founded unjustly is a complete denial of the real meaning of the term. That is the sole reason I even posted on this thread. I knew what I said would touch of a firestorm of self-rightous indignation but that is normal when people have accepted unjust actions and want to justify them after the fact.

It is exceedingly difficult to achieve a just peace if no one is willing to admit to the truth. Once you can accept the truth it becomes much easier to move on. The problem in the Middle East is that neither side really wants the truth. It is inconvenient and in the case of the Palestinians they don't even have a clue as to the truth as so many of them are completely uneducated. Hate has replaced reason and hate breeds hate.

Someone must budge. How can the Palestinians do this from a position of weakness and ignorance? With Israel denying the truth its even more difficult as they are the educated and the powerfull in this.

[Chris 62]

Your so full of sh1t I'm surprised your eyes aern't brown.

Go seig heil somewhere else, loser.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Your a bigot and a moron.

You are a liar and a buffoon. Not a funny one either.

All I did was give you facts, you idiot.

You have NEVER given a single fact on this thread. Others have you have not.

All you did was deny it and say dumb sh!t.

All I did was post facts and try reason. You seem incapable of either.

Can't keep your word either.

In fact, you came up with the all time stupidest intrepretation of the mid east:

The Jews were "guests" who took over!

Well its a valid interpretation of the events. They were invited and they did take over. Can you show otherwise?

There is no other way to talk to you, you are a total ass-hole.

Well there sure is no way that YOU comprehend to talk to me.

When are you going to keep your word?

I am very careful not to make stupid promises like the one you have made and violated twice. I never promise to ignore someone.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Your so full of sh1t I'm surprised your eyes aern't brown.

Gosh that was so insightfull.

My eyes are brown with green.

Go seig heil somewhere else, loser.

That was brilliant. You can't support yourself so I must be a Nazi. Sad that anyone would be so appallingly hot headed and full of hate.

Do yourself a favor and keep your word for once. You are not doing yourself any good with these hate filled rants of yours.