Interfering in Other Peoples' Sex Lives

[Juggernaut]

Interfering in Other Peoples' Sex Lives

Don't do it.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by LordAzreal
Regardless of whether or not this girl is mature enough to make rational decisions for herself, she is still a minor, and it is still illegal for this guy to make sexual contact with her. He shouldn't be doing it

If he moves to Canada then it's all cool.

[Tingkai]

Tom: On the one hand you're justifying this guys action by citing dutch law and on the other hand you're saying that it is up to the individuals involved.

What makes Dutch law correct? Why did Holland pick 14, but not 12 or 16? Just because the Dutch have this law doesn't make it justify its existence?

I've worked with lots of teenagers and I would say that 14 year olds are still children. At 14, a child's ability to understand abstract concepts is just developing.

[KrazyHorse]

This has always seemed a bit young, though. I'd move the age to 16, if I were in charge.

EDIT: and Tingkai, the law's similar in Canuckland.

[Jethro83]

Originally posted by Tom201
How do you know that for sure? Maybe the initiative comes from her? Maybe they love each other?

What is love then? How do you define love?

I'm 18, and I don't fully know it. My 18 year old friends also don't know. Some 26 year olds I know still don't. How can you expect a 14 year old to know?

There is even the possibilty the 21year one hadnt sexual experience bevor, and they are on same level

He has had sexual contact with her. He was lamenting on not being able to see her except for a certain time each month, and then had the audacity to say that it was OK because he still gets head.

[Provost Harrison]

Some of the comments coming from the US contingent are bang out of order, accusing Tom201 of being a paedophile effectively would warrant restriction from me. They are a defamation of character and a urge you to stop them now.

As I say, it depends on the girl and the individuals involved. It is too easy to draw arbitrary borderlines. Simple fact is, people, you don't know enough about the situation.

And what kind of age of consent is 18? This isn't the 19th century anymore. Seriously, you can seem so prudish at times.

[Tom201]

Tom: On the one hand you're justifying this guys action by citing dutch law and on the other hand you're saying that it is up to the individuals involved.

There is a diffrence between what is legal and what is moral. I dont think laws should represent moral 100% of the time. That is not possible cose:
a) Everyone has a diffrent set of Morals. The atemp to have a special set of morals from a certain group of ppl. as a law is opressive to those who dont share the same Morals.
b) Morals are dependend on situations, while laws are made for general.

Therefor Laws should be the outer Border, while Morals are the inner one. For example: It is allowed in most (free) countrys to have sex without marriage. But it can be a moral problem, if you are a member of certain religios groups.

So, when you now say it can be morally correct to have sex with 14 year old dependend on the persons involved, the law is correct.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
This has always seemed a bit young, though. I'd move the age to 16, if I were in charge.

EDIT: and Tingkai, the law's similar in Canuckland.

I thought the law in Canada was that you can't have sex with someone under 16 unless you are within two years of that person's age. (e.g. it is legal for a 17-year-old to have sex with a 15-year-old, but it is illegal for an 18-year-old to have sex with a 15-year-old).

The law also states that if you are in a position of authority, you are not allowed to have sex with someone under your authority who is younger than 18.

[KrazyHorse]

It's what you said, but with 14 in place of 16.

Parliament just rejected a member's bill from the Alliance that would have moved the age to 16, in addition to banning written child porn stories.

EDIT: that was for those who think we should ban thoughtcrime.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Tom201

So, when you now say it can be morally correct to have sex with 14 year old dependend on the persons involved, the law is correct.

So what you are saying is that the law should reflect community moral standards.

If you believe that then you have to accept that the dutch law can still be "oppresive" to people who believe that it is okay to have sex with a 10-year-old child.

You would also have to accept that while the Dutch law may be suitable for Holland, it cannot be used a universal standard because it is only based on Dutch standards of morality.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
It's what you said, but with 14 in place of 16.

Parliament just rejected a member's bill from the Alliance that would have moved the age to 16, in addition to banning written child porn stories.

EDIT: that was for those who think we should ban thoughtcrime.

That means, and this is really hard to admit, but I agree with an Alliance policy.

Edit: the bit about raising the age to 16.

[KrazyHorse]

I'd also change the law to eliminate the distinction that is made (due to earlier laws, IIRC) between normal sex and anal penetration. Luckily, this distinction has already been ruled unconstitutional by courts in several provinces, and it's doubtful that any other provinces will try to enforce it.

[Sava]

Tom, your point about morals is flawed. As I pointed out before, the Nazis had morals. They didn't include the slaughter of Jews. Just because a large group of people agree on something, doesn't make it right. I'm not asking you to believe me. Go get some books and do some research into the psychology of love and relationships. In fact, go to a high school and look at kids that are 14-18. Regardless of what they may want to do, you cannot allow them to explore their sexuality at a young age. Especially not with older men who want to take advantage.

[Provost Harrison]

Come on sava, you've slurred this man enough times. He has a difference of opinions with you but at least you can respect his opinions rather than implying he is a sexual deviant or immoral. It is all about the choice of the individual. It is amazing how mature some 14 year olds are. You have to judge each situation on it's merits.

[Tom201]

The Law is rather based on when or when not a teenager is able to make his/her own decisions.
When you look at other laws, concerning responsibility limits, its very reasonable. A child of 10 for example cant be charged for shoplifting. While there is a law, that from the age of 14 you are able to sign minor (privat) business contracts. Additionally you get in trouble for criminal activity.
I think this limits also should apply for other issues. Why isnt a teenager able to make decissions on sex, when he can on business stuff?