Interfering in Other Peoples' Sex Lives

[Tom201]

If everyone could do what they wanted there would be complete anarchy. Social control is necessary. If everyone could do what they wanted, nobody would clean sh!t. But somebody has to do it for the better of society.

I agree with the cleaning up part
That one is for practical reasons. But having laws on (controvers) Moral stuff is only opressive to ppl. that dont share the same Morals as you. The USA is seen as the land of Freedom, moral laws is one of the things where it goes of the track.
Moral is personal and should stay that way. Everyone can believe in whatever morals he likes, as long as he dont force others to believe the same.


For the teenage pregnancy rate:
Countrys with resitrictive laws on sexual themes have also a restrictive society. From my (admited very short) experience in the UK (was there in a exchange family about 6 years ago), its a big tabu to speak with his parents about sex. It is an issue to buy condoms as a minor. And if you do the shopowner is very unfriendly and looks at you, like you did a big sin or whatever. That happend both 2 times I went there on diffrent places for condoms. The info about sex comes from hearsay.

So I think its save to say that its easier in the netherlands for teens to get: a) the info and knowledge and b) the possibilties for pregnancy prevention.
And that links to the general, sex laws and atitude in these countrys.

[Tingkai]

So Tom, do you support NAMBLA? Do you stay the pedophilia should be legalized? The guy in question is a pedophile.

[Tom201]

I dont really know what the Nambla organisation stands for, and
Im too lazy to take a search on the web. So I dont know.

As for the question. I go with the Dutch law:
The age of consent is the same for everyone regardless of gender or sexual orientation; it is twelve provided that there is an age difference of no more than four years, and that the parents of those involve approve; otherwise, it is fourteen.

Its really the best I've seen on this issue and represents perfectly my personal opinion.


As for pedophilia:
There is a big diffrence between a child and a teenager. Child means for me anyone not yet able to get pregnant/have an erection. Thats somewhere at the age of 12.
Pedophilia laws should aply on kids not on teenagers. If that is not the case in your country, it should be changed. yes

[devilmunchkin]

i think it's perfectly ok for you to say something in this case...especially what you wanted to say..which was "eww!" and "she's 14!"
i know other countries tend to think that their women mature faster than american women, but from what i've seen, their 14 year olds are just as immature and hormone driven as the next female. I think at that age, she's looking to be cool among her peers by showing them she can date an older guy...and this guy prolly has mental problems to a certain degree in that he associates with a peer group much younger. That or he's living back in a time when older men would make arranged marriages with much younger females...i dunno.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Tom201
As for the question. I go with the Dutch law:
The age of consent is the same for everyone regardless of gender or sexual orientation; it is twelve provided that there is an age difference of no more than four years, and that the parents of those involve approve; otherwise, it is fourteen.

Its really the best I've seen on this issue and represents perfectly my personal opinion.

I'm with ya Tom.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Tom201
I dont really know what the Nambla organisation stands for, and

North American Man Boy Lovers Association


I thought it was a joke the first time I ran across them. They have a web site. Its a real organization. Real sick puppies they are.

[OzzyKP]

A thread has been made to discuss NAMBLA, go check it out.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Uck... this guy is messed up. I mean, one of the reasons he'd go out with a girl that is 14, when he is 21, because he knows he can manipulate her. 14 year olds are naive. The 21 year old has been through schooling and realizes that this 14 year old is just going to be fawning all over him, since he is so old and that makes her feel pretty.

Playing with her emotions, and he knows it.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Tom201
As for pedophilia:
There is a big diffrence between a child and a teenager. Child means for me anyone not yet able to get pregnant/have an erection. Thats somewhere at the age of 12.
Pedophilia laws should aply on kids not on teenagers. If that is not the case in your country, it should be changed. yes

Actually, boys can have erections at an early age. So would you be in favour of allowing a 21-year-old guy to have sex with an 8-year-old boy?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Uck... this guy is messed up. I mean, one of the reasons he'd go out with a girl that is 14, when he is 21, because he knows he can manipulate her. 14 year olds are naive. The 21 year old has been through schooling and realizes that this 14 year old is just going to be fawning all over him, since he is so old and that makes her feel pretty.

Playing with her emotions, and he knows it.

Yeah, the guy is messed up and he's a loser. The guy can't get any women his own age to date him so he starts hitting on 14-year-old. Big time loser.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

If it was a 16-year old boy with a 14-year old girl I would be less concerned, but that 7 year age gap throws the relationship off-balance. This isn't two kids experimenting with their sexuality- it's manipulation. I can't see how it can be considered anything other than abusive.

[Tom201]

Actually, boys can have erections at an early age. So would you be in favour of allowing a 21-year-old guy to have sex with an 8-year-old boy?

I meant boys which are actually able to have an orgasm. Thats for the deffinition child vs teenager.
What I would allow, I stated above (-> Dutch Law)

[Tom201]

This isn't two kids experimenting with their sexuality- it's manipulation. I can't see how it can be considered anything other than abusive.

How do you know that for sure? Maybe the initiative comes from her? Maybe they love each other? There is even the possibilty the 21year one hadnt sexual experience bevor, and they are on same level
You shouldnt be so fast with your judgements based on assumptions.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Regardless of whether the 21 year-old has had sex or not you're still looking at a sizeable gap in life experiences.

If you were 21 and shafting a 14 year-old girl, would you feel comfortable to announce this in a public place?

[Tom201]

I answered this in this thread already:

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As you wrote yourself its often hard to tell how old someone is when you dont know it.
The hypothetical relationship between me and an underaged girl is unlikly and as I wrote is maybe only possible, if the girl has a higher ripe stadium than her age implies.
Im not that much dependend on stats. I take the personality very much in account and judge about a person based on that. If this person happens to dont match on stats (to small for my height, to young for my age, etc.), I dont really care.
But Im for sure far from being a monster.

For the other question: I wouldnt hide it. I expect that maybe some ppl. would have a problem with it. I wouldnt care, and I think its wrong.
The only ppl. that can have a say I would listen too, are those that know both partners, have some real info etc.
But I dont support random bashing based on assumptions.