Interfering in Other Peoples' Sex Lives

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tom201
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2. I would say for me (21) a 14 year old is indeed a bit young Probably we are not on the same ripe stadium, have not the same interest or whatever.
But I wouldnt have a problem with it, when I fall in love with an "underaged" girl (which than would be most likly on a higher ripe stadium than her age implies).

It does like you are a borderline sicko. There's nothing wrong with taking a look at a younger girl. Sometimes its even tough to tell a 16 year old from a 20 year old. But you have to understand that somebody that young doesn't have the emotional maturity to make intellegent decisions. Hence, that's why they call it taking advantage.

It disturbs me that you say "when I fall in love with an underage girl". There shouldn't even be an "if"... let alone a "when". Hopefully you can show restraint.

[Tom201]

Hm, is the problem. Sex with 14 in general. Or only older guys have sex with underaged girls?

[Sava]

Originally posted by MrBaggins


What you are doing, Sava... is imposing your morals on another country. What makes your morals more right than Hollands?

The way things work in Holland... are that sex is less socially stigmatized... and that you don't go to jail for having consensual sex with a 14 year old. End of Story.

Preventing an older person from taking advantage of a younger person is a moral. And yes, I would be imposing a moral on another country. But remember, the Allies were imposing morals on the Nazis when they liberated the Jews.

That's an extreme comparison, but it is justifiable. In all cases, preventing sex before 18 does no damage to a person. But, allowing sex before 18 can potentially cause problems. If you are imposing a moral that has no negatives, yet can potentially prevent negatives, it is in society's best interest to enforce that moral.

[MrBaggins]

I don't see protests in Washington DC, London and Paris trying to get Holland to mend its evil ways. National Socialism, and a different social sexual policy position are two entirely different entities.

There is no proof in studies in Holland that the policy is harmful. They should know... they live it.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Sava
This thread is about a situation in a country where the age is 18. If the legal age is 4 in Kookamonga, I don't care. In America, its 18.

The age of consent in Cucamonga is 18. Same as it is for the rest of California.

Its on the road between Los Angeles and Las Vegas.

[Tom201]

As you wrote yourself its often hard to tell how old someone is when you dont know it.
The hypothetical relationship between me and an underaged girl is unlikly and as I wrote is maybe only possible, if the girl has a higher ripe stadium than her age implies.
Im not that much dependend on stats. I take the personality very much in account and judge about a person based on that. If this person happens to dont match on stats (to small for my height, to young for my age, etc.), I dont really care.
But Im for sure far from being a monster.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tom201
Hm, is the problem. Sex with 14 in general. Or only older guys have sex with underaged girls?

A 14 year old having sex with another 14 year old is not as big a problem as older guys having sex with underaged girls. But if two 14 year olds are soulmates, then waiting would not be a problem. If the love is really there, they can wait until they are 18. Sex has two main purposes. Reproduction and physical pleasure. Expressing love is not a function of sex. It is possible to make love with somebody without having sex. If two 14 year olds love each other, they can express it with their desire to wait to engage in sex. If at 14, you can support having a child, then I would be more inclined to allow it.

[Sava]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
I don't see protests in Washington DC, London and Paris trying to get Holland to mend its evil ways. National Socialism, and a different social sexual policy position are two entirely different entities.

There is no proof in studies in Holland that the policy is harmful. They should know... they live it.

I'm not on a high horse to get Holland to change its ways. I could give have a sh!t about Holland. If their moral mistakes start affecting me, then I will care. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. Yes, they are two different entities, but its the same level of moral absence, just on a different degree.

I do agree with you that Holland teaches better sexual maturity than the United States. That is why it is not as big a problem in your country.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tom201
As you wrote yourself its often hard to tell how old someone is when you dont know it.
The hypothetical relationship between me and an underaged girl is unlikly and as I wrote is maybe only possible, if the girl has a higher ripe stadium than her age implies.
Im not that much dependend on stats. I take the personality very much in account and judge about a person based on that. If this person happens to dont match on stats (to small for my height, to young for my age, etc.), I dont really care.
But Im for sure far from being a monster.

Okay, I wasn't sure if you were talking about a hypothetical. But I hope that if you found yourself in love with a 14 year old, you would be able to wait until she was old enough before becoming sexually active.

[MrBaggins]

Quote by Sava
I'm not on a high horse to get Holland to change its ways. I could give have a sh!t about Holland. If their moral mistakes start affecting me, then I will care. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. Yes, they are two different entities, but its the same level of moral absence, just on a different degree.

I do agree with you that Holland teaches better sexual maturity than the United States. That is why it is not as big a problem in your country.

Its not my country... I am just aware that differing cultures have differing ideas about the AOC and other sexual matters, and understand that they are entitled to differing views. I don't have a firm viewpoint on what the AOC should be... although it seems that the AOC of 18 was made in a time when individuals in society matured at a slower pace, and the general AOC has not kept pace with that reality. Off the top of my head... maybe a 16 year old now, is mature as an 18 year old then.

[Tom201]

That's an extreme comparison, but it is justifiable. In all cases, preventing sex before 18 does no damage to a person. But, allowing sex before 18 can potentially cause problems. If you are imposing a moral that has no negatives, yet can potentially prevent negatives, it is in society's best interest to enforce that moral.

It does damage. It prevents ppl. from living the ways they want. Preventing them from having the best fun there is. Violating Privacy and personal Freedom.

If these are no reasons for you, here something else:
The rate on teenage pregnacies in the UK (which has restrictive laws on sex) is far higher, compared to the Netherlands.
Figure out why

[drake]

Besides morality

Physically, a 14 year old girls body isnt fully developed.

Unless the guys Johnson is miniscule, a fully grown adult male would probably have trouble having intercourse with such a young girl.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tom201
It does damage. It prevents ppl. from living the ways they want. Preventing them from having the best fun there is. Violating Privacy and personal Freedom.

If these are no reasons for you, here something else:
The rate on teenage pregnacies in the UK (which has restrictive laws on sex) is far higher, compared to the Netherlands.
Figure out why

If everyone could do what they wanted there would be complete anarchy. Social control is necessary. If everyone could do what they wanted, nobody would clean sh!t. But somebody has to do it for the better of society.

The teenage pregnancy rate in the UK is not higher solely because of the restrictive law. It is higher because parents don't feel the need to teach morals because they figure the law will take care of it. In a perfect society there would be no laws because everybody would be morally good. But unfortunately, this isn't a perfect world.

Let me ask you this. If murder was made legal, do you think murder rates would rise or fall?

[Sava]

Re: Besides morality

Originally posted by drake
Physically, a 14 year old girls body isnt fully developed.

Unless the guys Johnson is miniscule, a fully grown adult male would probably have trouble having intercourse with such a young girl.

Some men enjoy causing physical damage to young girls' sex organs.

[drake]

Well, even if they aren't hurting them Sava, they certainly aren't giving them any pleasure. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I doubt many girls aged 14 can have an orgasm through intercourse. And since we know they're not trying to have a kid, whats the point you ask?

Well it's quite simple. The girl wants to be accepted by the older pervert, I mean guy. It's a big thing for girls to go out with the older, more sophisticated guys. So she does what he wants to please him, so he accepts her. The girl is most likely vulnerable and needy for attention. And this pervert is more than happy to give it to her. Granted she give him what he wants.