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So what you are outlining Imran is a double standard then.
Yep, there is a double standard.
Like KH said... when you consent to sex, you don't consent to child birth... that is why we have abortions .
Consent for one act doesn't lead to consent for another act.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
No contraception is 100% foolproof. If you are ignorant of this fact when you jump in the sack then tough titties.
And there isn't a 100% chance you won't get hit by a car when you cross the street... so I guess you'd say if you were hit while crossing the road, tough titties, eh?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
If the man knew that the woman would not have an abortion before having sex, he gets to pay.
If he did not use contraception, or used sh*tty contraception, he gets to pay (unless the woman told him not to use a condom or something).
If the abortion would cause a risk to the woman, he gets to pay.
If he doesn't want her to have an abortion, he gets to pay.
Failing all of these, he should be off the hook.
I refute it thus!
"Destiny! Destiny! No escaping that for me!"
Walking across the street isn't 100% safe either. Why should a girl be able to hold you up for ransom for an accident caused by the both of you? There's a legal alternative, and if she chooses not to take it then you should be absolved of all legal responsibility.
No contraception is 100% foolproof. If you are ignorant of this fact when you jump in the sack then tough titties.
And there isn't a 100% chance you won't get hit by a car when you cross the street... so I guess you'd say if you were hit while crossing the road, tough titties, eh?
Actually abstinence is 100% foolproof.
Anyway, thats a terrible analogy. You are comparing some guy getting his rocks off with crossing the road?? Pffffffffff
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Originally posted by Caligastia
The "double standard" works both ways. If the man wants the child and the woman doesnt, the woman gets to make the decision.
Huh? That's the point. The woman always has the choice under the current system. You shouldn't be able to force a woman to have an abortion (since it's her body), but the fact is that there's a legal and safe alternative to having the child. It's her decision to have the baby, therefore it should legally be her responsibility.
If he did not use contraception, or used sh*tty contraception, he gets to pay
Well if they did not use contraception, the woman can either have the child or not... she has a choice after the pregancy is revealed.
The man has NO choice after the revelation of the pregnancy. If he wants the child, but she doesn't, the child is aborted. If he doesn't want the child, but she does, then he is responsible for child support. He is at the mercy of the woman after the act of sex, because she has the only say after the sexual act.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Walking across the street isn't 100% safe either. Why should a girl be able to hold you up for ransom for an accident caused by the both of you? There's a legal alternative, and if she chooses not to take it then you should be absolved of all legal responsibility.
Getting your rocks off with some chick is not a necessary part of daily life. Crossing the road is. The analogy sucks.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Anyway, thats a terrible analogy. You are comparing some guy getting his rocks off with crossing the road??
It is terrible to you because it doesn't jive with your views.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Getting your rocks off is not a necessary part of daily life. Crossing the road is. The analogy sucks.
How about another one... if you enter in a bar and someone beats you up, then tough titties. You didn't have to go into the bar, and it could be seen that you could have been beaten up, so you have to deal, right?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
If he did not use contraception, or used sh*tty contraception, he gets to pay
Well if they did not use contraception, the woman can either have the child or not... she has a choice after the pregancy is revealed.
The man has NO choice after the revelation of the pregnancy. If he wants the child, but she doesn't, the child is aborted. If he doesn't want the child, but she does, then he is responsible for child support. He is at the mercy of the woman after the act of sex, because she has the only say after the sexual act.
Which I think is wrong.
But then again, I'm with Calig on the whole abstinance thing.
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