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  • #46
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    Well, my support for abortion has nothing to do with whether it is a life or not (for the record I think it is the 4th month). The question for me is one of consent. The fetus/child is living inside the woman with her consent. If the woman removes her consent to use her body, then the fetus has to leave. After the action of birth, then the child doesn't require the consent of the mother to live within her.
    I'm sure my parents wished they could have kicked me out of the house that easily.
    What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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    • #47
      Osweld

      I wonder how men feel about this attitude of "who cares if you get pregnant, I can sponge off him forever if I do".







      On a less sarcastic note, I would hope that people would be able to resolve disputes over this without resorting to lawsuits. This would include me feeling more moral responsibility than the law mandates.
      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
      Stadtluft Macht Frei
      Killing it is the new killing it
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      • #48
        Originally posted by November Adam
        We managed to come to a consenses that BIOLOGICALLY an embryo, fetus is human
        Doctors and biologists would be surprised. A fetus is not a distinct entity from the mother before a certain stage in development; it is an organ of the mother's body.
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #49
          The woman also had a lack of responsibilty, but she can get out of it.
          She should also have to deal with the consequences

          Death is a consequence of drinking. If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be drinking.
          Drinking and death doesn't corralate as well as sex and pregnancy. People have sex to get pregnant far more often than people drink to die. A better analogy would be Pregnancy is to Sex as Drunkeness is to Drinking. If people doen't know how to deal with being drunk, or don't know that drinking will get them drunk, then they shouldn't be drinking.

          The primary reason for sex is pleasure.
          Consciously yes, in reality no. Sex feels good. People want to have sex. Nature wants people to have sex so they can reproduce. Sex feels good so people will want to have it, ensuring reproduction.
          "The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
            And a such we have had to play around with definitions, so abortion is a clean "procedure", that is only affecting a "fetus", which is only a lump of cells.

            Seems kinda depraved don't you think?


            Well, my support for abortion has nothing to do with whether it is a life or not (for the record I think it is the 4th month). The question for me is one of consent. The fetus/child is living inside the woman with her consent. If the woman removes her consent to use her body, then the fetus has to leave. After the action of birth, then the child doesn't require the consent of the mother to live within her.
            so you put life over consent??



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            • #51
              Originally posted by KrazyHorse


              Doctors and biologists would be surprised. A fetus is not a distinct entity from the mother before a certain stage in development; it is an organ of the mother's body.
              They haven't even come to a consensus. Some don't seem to want to because of the politics involved.

              Hey KH, did you follow our debate? Just curious.
              What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jon Miller


                so you put life over consent??



                Jon Miller
                No he puts consent over life.
                What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                  I really don't see it as sad because I don't see the fetus as an individual human being until at least the 5th/6th month.
                  The child is distinct from conception. It has a different genetic code than the mother, meaning it isn't a part of her body. If you don't agree with that, then you agree to this. A fetus will inevitably develop into a person. What right do we have to kill something that will be a person in 9 months?
                  "The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796

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                  • #54
                    Nope. I got bored with it after a very little while. Some things seem rather self-evident to me, and the non-humanity of a tiny mass of cells of lower development and complexity than a jellyfish is one of those things.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                      Nope. I got bored with it after a very little while. Some things seem rather self-evident to me, and the non-humanity of a tiny mass of cells of lower development and complexity than a jellyfish is one of those things.
                      Why should a person not exist because you are "bored" with a couple of cells that are constantly developing?
                      "The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                        Nope. I got bored with it after a very little while. Some things seem rather self-evident to me, and the non-humanity of a tiny mass of cells of lower development and complexity than a jellyfish is one of those things.
                        But a biological definition of a human is not based on its developmental stage, nor its complexity.
                        What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by nationalist


                          The child is distinct from conception. It has a different genetic code than the mother, meaning it isn't a part of her body. If you don't agree with that, then you agree to this. A fetus will inevitably develop into a person. What right do we have to kill something that will be a person in 9 months?
                          Having a different genetic code doesn't mean crap; it's neither a necessary nor a sufficient requirement for individuality.

                          I judge things on what they are, not what they might become. Anything else is a silly system. A fertilised ova does not a human being make.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by November Adam


                            But a biological definition of a human is not based on its developmental stage, nor its complexity.
                            Being an individual human being does.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                              Being an individual human being does.
                              Uhm, I don't think that has anything to do with the biological definition of a human either.

                              Cojoined twins often are not "individual", as they often need to share organs.
                              What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"

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                              • #60
                                Re: Osweld

                                Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                                I wonder how men feel about this attitude of "who cares if you get pregnant, I can sponge off him forever if I do".

                                I think you seriously need to get a woman's perspective on this. There is no way a woman is going to get pregnant just so she can get child support.



                                And I don't see how this relates to what I said, anyways.
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