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I can just see you with fingers in your ears shouting, "I can not hear you!" over and over again.
The girl can take pills, and the man can use condom.
Neither of which are 100% effective. The risk still exists.
There is an accident ?
They just accidentally fell on top of each other?
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Its her body. The man already took the risk of having a child when he had sex. He has to deal with the unforseen consequences.
Dumb.
If he use contraceptive methods, he's not responsible for an accident.
Or next time you fell and you broke something, I'll ask you to be kicked out of the hospital : after all, you walked, you took the risk to fell.
And yes, it's the woman body. That's why she has the final word and can decide to keep or not the child. But I don't consider that the guy is responsible for her decision.
Or do you consider women so inferiors that they don't have any free will for themselves and then there must a man who is responsible for their decision, just like a parent with his young children ?
Ah well, I'm sick of it. If you can't grasp the concept of PERSONNAL RESPONSABILITIES then I just can't do anything for you.
Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.
Originally posted by Akka le Vil
Wow ???
What a surprise !!!
Yes, I thought that you would be supprised. Given this fact, I would argue that the father assumed the risk of disease and/or being responsible for a pregnancy as a result of his activity.
Why do you think I talk about accident the very next line ?
Foolishness?
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Originally posted by Akka le Vil
If you can't grasp the concept of PERSONNAL RESPONSABILITIES then I just can't do anything for you.
It looks like you are the one that can not grasp the personal responsibility given the fact that you are arguing in favor of people being able to shirk them.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Originally posted by Akka le Vil
The mother assumed the risk of disease and/or being subject for a pregnancy as a result of her activity. Final point.
Your point is? I'm against abortion on principle.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
It looks like you are the one that can not grasp the personal responsibility given the fact that you are arguing in favor of people being able to shirk them.
I do not ask for people to bear the responsability of other's decisions.
Both decided to have sex, both knew the risk, both agreed not having a child. If a woman wish to break this agreement by keeping the child, it's HER decision and in NO WAY the man has something to do with it.
Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.
Originally posted by Caligastia
You have to have a double standard because men and women are fundimentally different. Despite the marxist thinking that declares "we are all equal", the fact is we are not. Everyone is different, and you cant get much more different than a man and a woman. In the case of an accidental pregnancy BOTH the man and the woman are responsible for it and BOTH have to deal with it in their own way. The man has to be prepared to support the child, and the woman has to decide whether she wants the child at all.
There is no way for the situation to be completely fair for both because if the woman gets an abortion then the man gets off () scot-free, while the woman has to deal with the emotional and physical trauma of having an abortion.
I agree with the laws as they are, because in the end I want whats best for the child. It may not be completely fair for the man, but its better than having both the woman and the child suffer.
Thats the end of your argument Akka De Vil
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
The child will suffer only if the woman does not abort, you just can't make something which is not existing suffer.
And right or wrong are not a question of adding number of people who will suffer. As I repeated it thousand times : it's HER choice to keep the child, it's HER problem.
That's my final and last post on this thread except something new appear, I'm tired of this argument. It's unlikely any of us will make the other change its mind, well never mind.
Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.
The child will suffer only if the woman does not abort
Its not a foregone conclusion that the child will suffer. The parents can decide to take responsibility for the life they created and do the best they can to raise it. The mother and child will definitely suffer financial hardship (unless they are rich) if the father doesnt contribute.
And right or wrong are not a question of adding number of people who will suffer. As I repeated it thousand times : it's HER choice to keep the child, it's HER problem.
Thats a terribly selfish attitude. You dont think its better to minimise the suffering for all involved? How ridiculous. She didnt choose to be pregnant any more than the man if they took the proper precautions, so what you saying is that if she gets pregnant its HER problem. You must be a real unfeeling bastard.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Darn close, it is not a foregone conclusion the child and mother will suffer either is it. A little hard work just like the man and she is with income again. After all if a single man can do it a single woman can too...On top of that if they had joint custody and were treated like equals which they are...Then each would share the responsibility and cost would they not...
The parents can decide to take responsibility for the life they created and do the best they can to raise it.
They implies “together” “sole custody” means one…The courts (adversarial) decide this for the parents.
You must be a real unfeeling bastard.
While I do not agree with what was said…My two cents worth, it is an unfeeling bastard that orders a child to not have their biological father and replaces him with cash…
“The Communist Manifesto was correct…but…we see the privileges of the capitalist bourgeoisie yielding…to democratic organizations…In my judgment…success lies in a steady [peaceful] advance…[rather]…than in…a catastrophic crash."Eduard Bernstein
Or do we?
I am disappointed that you have chosen not to respond to my previous arguments, as I was quite enjoying the sparring, and hope you were too. I am curious as to your response to my last post on this issue, if you had one.
asleepathewheel my apologies I will read them and respond as best I can. My time being limited for the better part of the next month has me speed-reading through the post’s. That explains some of my disjointed posts Yes I too enjoy the sparring especially civil sparing as you have easily maintained. Holly crap it’s up to 21 pages
Good points and I will research your work and your points thoroughly including the constitutional challenge going on in the USA right now.
Thanks for the challenge. The timing is good… I saved and will catch up, BTW I was not trying to be condescending just that it reminded me of that…
Caligastia
So you agree that in the case of an accidental pregnancy that the father is equally responsible for taking care of the child if the mother decides to have it?
ABSOLUTLY!!!!!
“The Communist Manifesto was correct…but…we see the privileges of the capitalist bourgeoisie yielding…to democratic organizations…In my judgment…success lies in a steady [peaceful] advance…[rather]…than in…a catastrophic crash."Eduard Bernstein
Or do we?
Originally posted by blackice
asleepathewheel my apologies I will read them and respond as best I can. My time being limited for the better part of the next month has me speed-reading through the post’s. That explains some of my disjointed posts Yes I too enjoy the sparring especially civil sparing as you have easily maintained. Holly crap it’s up to 21 pages
haha, I can certainly understand that. I am quite busy as well and was using our conversation as a way to study for an upcoming final!
Originally posted by blackice
Good points and I will research your work and your points thoroughly including the constitutional challenge going on in the USA right now.
Thanks for the challenge. The timing is good… I saved and will catch up, BTW I was not trying to be condescending just that it reminded me of that…
Sounds great. Its interesting to hear your point of view. As you are no doubt aware, the father lobby is gaining ground in the state houses in the US, so its pretty interesting to see what the goal is. One of my professors drafted the latest revisions to the Missouri laws on children and custody issues, so I have heard a lot about custody issues lately. And for some reason I find it interesting as well (though I would normally stick to the criminal side) I think the welfare of children seems so vital to me, as opposed to the corporate whores that so many lawyers turn out to be.
I'm against abortion on principle.
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