French Elections : Will Le Pen make it to the second round?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Besides neo nazi attacks have happened in many other peoples who are not muslim in Germany.

Neo-Nazis are just nuts... the far-right parties are a little less nuts, and they seem to yell at Muslims more than other immigrants.

[Az]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

-massive support to arabs to crush Israel
-Israel still wins.

Not this time... not with the vast increases in technology in the Arab world. This time, Egypt itself could probably hold Israel in a stalemate.

well , in no war with Egypt was Israel superior to it technologically. esp. in 73. Both Syria and Egypt outnumbered and had similar if not favourable techs there.

(waits for pointless bragging about soviet tech being lame. )

Paiktis:

I am glad we agree on this.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Besides neo nazi attacks have happened in many other peoples who are not muslim in Germany.

Neo-Nazis are just nuts... the far-right parties are a little less nuts, and they seem to yell at Muslims more than other immigrants.

Again, I tell you, AFAIK (and I'm not an expert on the issue) they are against immigration. Just happens that most immigrants are of muslim religion and it seems they are against muslims.


The only far right wing anti - muslim party is AFAIK in the Netherlands. (its leader is gay and he is pissed muslim religion doesn't accept him... )


AGAIN, 40% of population in major cities in Holland are immigrants and there are no problems... go figure.

[Az]

Imran : because there are more of them.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, and there were more Jews during Hitler's time, didn't mean he just hated them because they were more.

AGAIN, 40% of population in major cities in Holland are immigrants and there are no problems... go figure.

We aren't talking about Holland.

[Az]

Yes, and there were more Jews during Hitler's time, didn't mean he just hated them because they were more.

more of them relative to what?
maybe it's you who feels threatened all the time ...

I say that he points his criticism not because they're muslims but because they're immigrants. you could also see him bashing other immigrants.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yes, and there were more Jews during Hitler's time, didn't mean he just hated them because they were more.

Imran... I think he hated them because they were Jews...

AGAIN, 40% of population in major cities in Holland are immigrants and there are no problems... go figure.

We aren't talking about Holland. [/QUOTE]

About who are we talking then?

Do you think they are clear cut disctinctions in Europe?

There's only one (and I know I'm being a "heretic" for saying that but I believe that hiding the truth and pretent it doesn't exist is the worst thing one can do) and that is between North and South Europe.

Different people, different mentalities, different problems.
I'm sorry if I'm busting our sweet EU dream, the truth be told.

True some countries have more problems with Neo - Nazis and right wing.
The hot spots remain Germany, Austria and Scandinavia and to a lesser extend Britain. (As far as the EU is conscerned)

Countries where walking at night can get you beaten up or killed just because you are not the "correct" shade of color.

Not in Greece. Not in most South Europe.

I think you are wrong to confuse this with hatred against muslims. It is typical northern white racism. The one I got busted for mentioning here once.


In short, these people are against immigration in general and in particular from people that are not like themselves.
Muslims, non muslims makes little difference.

As long as they are "stealing their jobs and their health security" (and in more severe cases) "polluting their cities and race" they are the enemy.

Turks are 4 million in Germany.

Once a Greek restaurant owner was attacked by some Neo Nazis.

The people who came at his rescue were turks...

Where's your claim about religion now Imran?

[Akka]

Originally posted by Colon


IMHO Le Pen would be more likely to chase the millions of Muslims out of France than to touch a hair on a Jew's head.

Considering how every anti-jews action in France is linked to his political movement, and how he is often talking about a "jewish plot", I would not bet anything on the security of Jews if he happened to get the power...

[Az]

Akka



oh, and btw, apology accepted.

[Solly]

By far some of the best news for a long time. Hopefully we'll now start getting some sensible policies on mainland Europe (if Le Pen gets to be PM, that is!).

[Kropotkin]

The Le Pen of Wales has arrived at the scene.... Oh well

[Monk]

He's actually running for President, not PM

[Spiffor]

First of all, I'd like to say I'm French, and I'm ashamed of my country. I often bash other countries (Israel electing Sharon, Italy electing Berlusconi, USA electing Dubya...), but today, it's time to me to face the truth : we need to be ashamed as much as any other countries.
Our choice at the second turn is between an absolute crook who betrays the interests of France and a porky fascist. Chirac will get elected at 80% or so, because he's a republican, and most left-winged voters and right-wing will vote against fascism. I hate Chirac, but I always told I'd vote for him i he's the only wall against fascism. And I'll do. I'll vote without hesitation for this crook. Because I don't want my country, which fancies calling itself "the Country of Rights of Man" being led by a fascist. Because I don't want people abroad to see us as more fascist as we are.
A President in France is the one incarnating the Nation... I won't allow France to support Le Pen.

[Bereta_Eder]

Spiffor, can you explain me something?

In a recent EU poll French youth was the least xenophobic of Europe. (and Greek one the most xenophobic of all)

How come Le Pen got such percentages?

[Solly]

Don't you want to see something done about crime? About employment?



Le Pen isn't against the immigrants themselves (ie, he isn't a racist), but he is against immigration. Big difference.

Without such a pandering to political correctness, France will be able to deal more effectively with crime (with the acknowledgement that minorities do commit more crime). Etc etc.