French Elections : Will Le Pen make it to the second round?

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW I want to be correct and not one sided.

You know I talked about the descecration of jewish cemetaries in Europe but that it did not happen in Greece?

Well... it happened. Some people sprayed the word "Palestinians" in red paint in a site which is dedicated to victimes of the Holocaust (the mainly the Greek Jews of Thessaloniki).

In other news...

In Norway, jewish pupils had to change schools because the norwegians were telling them things...

Now IF what I just said is used IN ANY WAY to justify present Israeli policy in the occupied Palestine, I'll not say anything else again.

I'm all for spotting problems, identifying them and solving them BUT NOT for using them for "propaganda"... ok?

Cheers

[Ecthy]

That's what any educated and enlightened person is for, paiktis.

Some people are only educated and therefore get paranoid at any statement that is not equal to their own.

[Shi Huangdi]

This is disturbing- fortunately however Chirac will almost certainly win in the second round.

[Az]

paiktis: your statement shows me something wrong with your thinking. I , when I come to the forums to debate, I come to exchange opinions , be objective , and if wrong, concur, and change my views. What you seem to say is : " hey, if I find some stuff to support your position rather than mine, I'll simply ignore it , so it wouldn't hurt my ideas, and my logic" .

That's .. not very open-minded , to put it mildly.

It seems that you're here to prove that your point is right, by all means, not to discuss, and learn something about the world for yourself.

[Stefu]

Incidentally, here are the results:

CANDIDATE

Jacques Chirac - Rally for the Republic 20.47
Jean-Marie Le Pen - National Front 16.80
Lionel Jospin - Socialist Party 14.75
Jean Saint-Josse - Hunting, Fishing, Nature, Tradition 7.28
Francois Bayrou - Centrist 6.66
Arlette Laguiller - Workers' Struggle 5.85
Olivier Besancenot - Revolutionary Communist League 4.58
Noel Mamere - Greens 4.57
Jean-Pierre Chevenement - Republican Pole 4.53
Alain Madelin - Liberal Democracy 3.73
Robert Hue - Communist Party 3.08
Bruno Megret - National Republican Movement 2.36
Corinne Lepage - independent ecologist 1.79
Christiane Taubira - Radical Left Party 1.73
Christine Boutin - independent centrist 1.31
Daniel Gluckstein - Workers' Party 0.52
Registered electorate 9,382,669
Abstentions 24.61 percent

Can someone please tell me WTF is "Hunting, Fishing, Nature, Traditions" party and WTF does it stand for and for WTF reasons did it get 7.28% of the vote?

[Eli]

Accoridng to the latest numbers Le Pen leads only by 0.5-1%. So Jospin still has a chance.

[Natan]

Originally posted by paiktis22
BTW I want to be correct and not one sided.

You know I talked about the descecration of jewish cemetaries in Europe but that it did not happen in Greece?

Well... it happened. Some people sprayed the word "Palestinians" in red paint in a site which is dedicated to victimes of the Holocaust (the mainly the Greek Jews of Thessaloniki).

Yeah, I heard about that. Still, Greece hasn't had any violent physical attacks on Jews or Jewish institutions, the way some other countries have.

In Norway, jewish pupils had to change schools because the norwegians were telling them things...

What were the things?

Now IF what I just said is used IN ANY WAY to justify present Israeli policy in the occupied Palestine, I'll not say anything else again.

I'm all for spotting problems, identifying them and solving them BUT NOT for using them for "propaganda"... ok?

Cheers

Got it.

[Kropotkin]

Countries elect people like Sharon, Bush, Berlusconi, Schröder, possibly Le Pen...

I'm actually starting to miss Ms Thatcher. She was(/is) totally evil but at least she was honest...

[chequita guevara]

When you add up all the lefties, they beat Jospin. The big fun is that Arlette trounced the Communist Party, altogether, the Trots got three times the votes of the CP. Stalinism is dead.

[Eli]

Jospin said that he'll leave politics after the second round.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Eli
Stop the mass Muslim/Arab immigration to France. Eventually this will lead to a far right president and the situation will explode(not necesseraly in this order).

Kowtowing to the right does not steal their thunder. It only makes them more powerful by enacting their policies when they aren't even in office. Then they can sayy, see, we have power, we've force the government to change, and they become even more attractive.

I think you are reading the wrong message into this elections. It isn't so much that Le Pen is attracting support, it is that Jospin lost his support. He was too much of a bootlicker to globalization, and he alientated his political base. If Jospin had acted like a real Socialist, if he had capitalized on the general strike that brought him to power, he might have kept his followers. Instead, he get's booted from office.

28%'s a lot of absenteeism in France.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Countries elect people like Sharon, Bush, Berlusconi, Schröder, possibly Le Pen...

I'm actually starting to miss Ms Thatcher. She was(/is) totally evil but at least she was honest...

It is quite thick to have Schröder in that list, but I'm not surprised by you any more.

sidenote: Schröder is the German chancellor and chief of a social democratic and green government.

[Stefu]

The real big fun is that if you add all communist-sounding parties together and throw Greens in for good measure, they'd be the biggest. That'd have been interesting. Even more interesting would have been second round between Le Pen and Laquillor

Then again, we might consider it lucky that communist parties, when not in power, are best in fighting among themselves.

[Eli]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Kowtowing to the right does not steal their thunder. It only makes them more powerful by enacting their policies when they aren't even in office. Then they can sayy, see, we have power, we've force the government to change, and they become even more attractive.

I think you are reading the wrong message into this elections. It isn't so much that Le Pen is attracting support, it is that Jospin lost his support. He was too much of a bootlicker to globalization, and he alientated his political base. If Jospin had acted like a real Socialist, if he had capitalized on the general strike that brought him to power, he might have kept his followers. Instead, he get's booted from office.

28%'s a lot of absenteeism in France.

I guess you're right.
I'm thinking in "best for the Jews" terms.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ecthelion


It is quite thick to have Schröder in that list, but I'm not surprised by you any more.

sidenote: Schröder is the German chancellor and chief of a social democratic and green government.

Schröder's party just got b*tch-slapped in Saxony-Anhalt. The Christian-Dems have recovered from their mess with Kohl, and the big surprise is the Party of Democraitc Socialism, the commies, are in second place.

Let that be a lesson to all wishy-washy social democrats. Kiss the asses of your class enemies and you will be removed from power when your party base abstains from voting.