Arafat an enemy - a cease fire suggestion that came too late

[Andrew1999]

I'm amazed at all the gloom and doom I'm seeing on this board. The change in attitude just in the last few days has been more than a little frightening, with all this talk about "the end of Israel." I will admit I'm sitting comfortably in my apartment 10,000 miles away but I have to step back and ask, Has it really gotten THAT bad over there?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Waku
Arafat is not as important as you may think, others will come.

Like Hamas.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Andrew1999
I'm amazed at all the gloom and doom I'm seeing on this board. The change in attitude just in the last few days has been more than a little frightening, with all this talk about "the end of Israel." I will admit I'm sitting comfortably in my apartment 10,000 miles away but I have to step back and ask, Has it really gotten THAT bad over there?

No. You're over exaggerating. A lot.

[Rasputin]

if the palestinians want "their" land back why dont they get the backign of their arab friends like they did back in 1948 and fight properly for it ? why do they have to target civilians.???

[Eli]

According to the Arab media, the Hamas threatens to kill Sharon in one of the next suicide attacks.

[Waku]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Like Hamas.

spot on. That's why Arafat is the only one to be taken into the "common sense" path, and Sharon isn't helping at all, is him?

[Eli]

Originally posted by Waku
spot on. That's why Arafat is the only one to be taken into the "common sense" path, and Sharon isn't helping at all, is him?

Arafat had been leading the Pals in the current conflict. We lost almost 125 civilians in March (there are whole 47 minutes to go), what is the big difference between this and the Hamas?
At least European "peace" activists will not come to protect them.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Waku
That's why Arafat is the only one to be taken into the "common sense" path,

I ask again. What evidence do you have that Arafat is at all interested in the common sense path?

[MORON]

with all this mess...killing sharon might even help......

[Eli]

According to Israeli security sources, there are 60-70 "heavy" wanted terrorists hiding in Arafat's and Rajoub's offices in Rammalah and Bitunia. According to the Israeli intelligence services, among the wanted is Ahmed Saadat the head of the PFLP and the murderers of the minister Rehavam Ze'evi. The IDF got clear orders to catch those wanted "at any price".

Also, the Palestinians report that IDF forces started entering Kalkiliya.

[Waku]

Unfortunately there are not evidences of understanding from any side, that's why this conflict lasts forever. And both of them should know it's the only way. They are condemned to withstand eachother, otherwise there's not solution.

[BlackStone]

Originally posted by Rasputin
if the palestinians want "their" land back why dont they get the backign of their arab friends like they did back in 1948 and fight properly for it ? why do they have to target civilians.???

I wonder why they havent thought of that.


The politics of the region are a little more complicated then that. As far as I can tell there is little love lost between the Arabs, practically the only thing that can unite them is the Israeli`s, which ironically enough is almost the same situation from the Israeli perspective.

And the targeting of civilians was used by Hamas as a way to derail any efforts at peace. The unfortunate thing now is that it is becoming so frquent that it is loosing its shock value (I mean this in terms of humanity the world is becoming desensitized (SP)).

The only way forward is to impose a settlement (no Israeli pun intended) from the outside.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Waku
there are more paralelisms with Sharon imho, in any case it seems there's something you said automatically when you've got no answers

No that's exactly the answer.

There is no way to deal with fanatical violence, before you destroy it.

First you destroy it, then you destroy it's cause.

If you can't analyze parallels it's not my fault.

Sure, destruction is the very best way to solve everything. Sorry I forgot.

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot how well your parades affected ETA.
What is that? Not at all??? Really?

And It's not like the basques are anywhere near to be "opressed" or "occupied" so there goes the leftist "terrorism grows from occupation" theory.

Very constructive again

According to you, resisting to the Nazis wasn't constructive too, right?

What would you do? Give them more land?

Just because you're ignorant that doesn't mean you should be so damn proud about it

You live miles away and read biased newspapers.

I live here, and I know what I feel, what my arab neighbours feel, and what my Israeli friends feel.

I also read local polls and listen to local news.

Mr Sharon?

How funny of you to omit the rest of my post:

Let's see who that someone is.

Is it someone that calls for martyrs to explode? Yes.
Is it someone that does not arrest terrorists but frees them from jails? Yes.
Is it someone that broadcasted commercials calling kids to go to heaven for their country? Yes.

His name is Arafat.

[BlackStone]

Originally posted by Eli


Arafat had been leading the Pals in the current conflict. We lost almost 125 civilians in March (there are whole 47 minutes to go), what is the big difference between this and the Hamas?
At least European "peace" activists will not come to protect them.

How many Palestinians civilians were killed in that period.
Not to mention the rounding up of people, restricyions on movement and general humiliations heaped on them by the occupation. Or is goyan subject to different rules.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by BlackStone
Is Israel being generous with other people land again

I wish to remind you this isn't other people's land.

Prior to 1948 Jerusalem had Jews in it.
So did most of the areas that are now settlements.

They were either massacared or expelled by the Arab forces in 1948.

So yes, giving away those lands is giving away "our" lands.