Arafat an enemy - a cease fire suggestion that came too late

[Sirotnikov]

I've also heard reports that IDF knows of Saddam's commandos.

About the "peace activists" - I can bet ya some of them were PLO contact men who are used to transfer messages.

And why did we let them in? Probably not to look as if we're preventing Arafat from food & water and to allow others to prove he's ok.

[faded glory]

I just wonder if the IDF would have more of a problem, if these Palesinian gunmen were actually armed with better weapons. Thats a possblility if this infitada goes on for any longer.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
since there exists a faction among Palestinians who still want the complete expulsion of the Jews.

And that faction is called the PLO.

Notice it was invented in 1964 - before Israel's conquering of the territories.

Furthermore, every map of the area in PLO emblems, books, and even school books used in the PA are like the picture attached.



Taken from the official web-site:

http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_a/ipc_a-1/a_map/pal-e.html

This is while, since 1993 all maps of Israel show the PA territories and Gaza strip as not Israeli.

All maps in schools were replaced. so were all maps in school books.

We've taught peace. Arafat didn't.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
About the "peace activists" - I can bet ya some of them were PLO contact men who are used to transfer messages.

And I can bet ya some of them were our guys.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Waku
Haven't you realised that it doesn't matter how many terrorists you kill, there will be more and more, that it doesn't matter how many tanks you have, there will always be someone who will be willing to suicide, that it doesn't really matter if you take Arafat or no, there will be someone else. It doesn't even matter if you kill every palestinian on earth, there are millions of muslims to take their place.

Same thing could have been told about Hitler & the Nazis.

But - the way to deal with them is

a) destroy their main powerbase
b) destroy their support by a state or a regime
c) re-educate people against violence / fanaticism
d) solve their problems.

The Germans had a very just case prior to WWII.
However appeasement didn't help - why?
Because germany was fanatical.
As soon as fanaticism was destroyed - people re-educated, Germany was rebuilt and got the land it deserved.

Whether you like it or not muslims and jews must withstand each other, so not fanatists are suitable to represent them, I don't think last events will lead arafat (or whoever) to take the "common sense" path.

Arafat never had the common sense path.
That's why we have to rid of him.

Every day it seems more obvious to me that nor palestinians nor hebrews want peace, oh well, so be it.

Nonsense.
The peoples themselves want peace.

but "someone's" leader is provoking them to war.
Let's see who that someone is.

Is it someone that calls for martyrs to explode? Yes.
Is it someone that does not arrest terrorists but frees them from jails? Yes.
Is it someone that broadcasted commercials calling kids to go to heaven for their country? Yes.

His name is Arafat.

He hasn't changed.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Eli
And I can bet ya some of them were our guys.

And I bet ya we were too stoooopeeeed to do that.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Oldenbarnevelt
Eli, why is Barghouti still alive?

Will the IDF capture Arafat today, or tomorrow?

Barghouti is now can't be found.

don't worry. We'll get him. Even if it takes exploding house after house

And we will not capture arafat.

[Eli]

The leader of the Al-Aqsa martyrs brigade gave Israel a 12 hours ultimatum(11 left).

"...if the IDF does not withdraw from Arafat's compound in Rammalah, we will make military actions in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem and everywhere, unprecedented actions above everything what the Israelis had imagined ... our men prepared hundreds of istishahadim(suicide bombers) who are ready to hit Israel in every spot if the Israeli aggression against the rais(president) and our people continues"

And I bet ya we were too stoooopeeeed to do that.

Unfortunately.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Siro, Eli, et al.:

So, do you guys have any plans on immigrating to America (or elsewhere) should the worst possible scenario — the fall of Israel — become reality? Or will you stick it out to the end and, possibly, after the end?

Gatekeeper

Well - frankly no.

That's the whole deal.

Jews have no where else to go. There's no place in the world where they are expected and welcomed other than Israel.

And frankly, even here the treatment is somewhat ****ty.


I guess I'll be in the army by the time of the big bang, or in high education but will be drafted.

I'll do my best.

While my parents may want me to - I don't like escaping. That goes against my very belief.

Our power is united. If everyone turned their backs and ran away - sure they'd be alive... maybe... for some time.

But only together can we make sure we win.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Eli
The leader of the Al-Aqsa martyrs brigade gave Israel a 12 hours ultimatum(11 left).

"...if the IDF does not withdraw from Arafat's compound in Rammalah, we will make military actions in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem and everywhere, unprecedented actions above everything what the Israelis had imagined ... our men prepared hundreds of istishahadim(suicide bombers) who are ready to hit Israel in every spot if the Israeli aggression against the rais(president) and our people continues"

Hehehe.


Bring it on, baby

[Mark_Lipovrovskiy]

I am not quite sure to see that come to pass.
Oh well. Dammit. C'est la vie. And death. And everything in between. People are stupid. And I'm losing my mind. Not that any of you know me well enough to care.

[Waku]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Same thing could have been told about Hitler & the Nazis.

there are more paralelisms with Sharon imho, in any case it seems there's something you said automatically when you've got no answers

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
But - the way to deal with them is
a) destroy their main powerbase
b) destroy their support by a state or a regime
c) re-educate people against violence / fanaticism
d) solve their problems.

Sure, destruction is the very best way to solve everything. Sorry I forgot.

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Arafat never had the common sense path. That's why we have to rid of him.

Very constructive again

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Every day it seems more obvious to me that nor palestinians nor hebrews want peace, oh well, so be it.

Nonsense. The peoples themselves want peace.

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
but "someone's" leader is provoking them to war.

Mr Sharon?

[DinoDoc]

Waku: What evidence do you have that Arafat is actually interested in peace because I haven't seen any since he started another Intifada after the most generous offer ever from the Isrealis and helped Sharon into office?

[Waku]

Have I said Arafat is interested in peace?

I just meant "Sharon's savoir fair" won't lead the muslim world to peace.

Arafat is not as important as you may think, others will come.

[BlackStone]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Waku: What evidence do you have that Arafat is actually interested in peace because I haven't seen any since he started another Intifada after the most generous offer ever from the Isrealis and helped Sharon into office?

Is Israel being generous with other people land again


Pah ...I don`t know, these modern Israeli`s, always giving.