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**Waku** · March 31, 2002, 16:34

Sirotnikov, you're as fanaticist as Arafat, I feel sorry for you man. Get a gun and go kill people.

**BlackStone** · March 31, 2002, 16:35

Originally posted by Eli
According to Israeli security sources, there are 60-70 "heavy" wanted terrorists hiding in Arafat's and Rajoub's offices in Rammalah and Bitunia. According to the Israeli intelligence services, among the wanted is Ahmed Saadat the head of the PFLP and the murderers of the minister Rehavam Ze'evi. The IDF got clear orders to catch those wanted "at any price".

Also, the Palestinians report that IDF forces started entering Kalkiliya.

Shouldn`t that be "at any Palestinian price"

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:36

Originally posted by Andrew1999
I'm amazed at all the gloom and doom I'm seeing on this board. The change in attitude just in the last few days has been more than a little frightening, with all this talk about "the end of Israel." I will admit I'm sitting comfortably in my apartment 10,000 miles away but I have to step back and ask, Has it really gotten THAT bad over there?

It has always been about Israel's existance.

Unfortunately, Arafat has managed to trick the world opinion, and prevent them from seeing how is he nurturing Hamas.

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:39

Originally posted by BlackStone
And the targeting of civilians was used by Hamas as a way to derail any efforts at peace.

Nonsense.

It wasn't to "derail any efforts at peace".

It was used as part of Arafat's strategy, to get more land.

He gave the Hamas a free hand, and then told Israel that to stop them, Israel has to give up more.

Again, read this to see how Arafat nurtured his relationship with Hamas:

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http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=89

The only way forward is to impose a settlement (no Israeli pun intended) from the outside.

Nonsense.

No one is interested enough to send his troops to enforce it.

An outside force will simply protect the terrorists in their hideouts. No one will protect an Israeli civilian like me.

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:39

Originally posted by MORON
with all this mess...killing sharon might even help......

don't go justifying your nickname

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:41

Originally posted by BlackStone
Pah ...I don`t know, these modern Israeli`s, always giving.

Explain to me again why is N. Ireland isn't a normal part of Ireland ?

**BlackStone** · March 31, 2002, 16:42

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

I wish to remind you this isn't other people's land.

Prior to 1948 Jerusalem had Jews in it.
So did most of the areas that are now settlements.

They were either massacared or expelled by the Arab forces in 1948.

So yes, giving away those lands is giving away "our" lands.

I didn`t say there were not Jews living there. Though there certainly weren`t that many. I am saying that you took the land and that it is not yours to be generous with.

There were expulsions and murders (on both sides) prior to this you did not have one side systematically changing the demographics.

**Waku** · March 31, 2002, 16:42

I wonder what would you do when after finally have got rid of the palestinian and spelt them from their... your... "there", bunches of christian settlers start to build camps around. Of course you would feel rightfull enough to get your tanks over them too. You're the chosen ones.

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:45

Originally posted by Waku
Sirotnikov, you're as fanaticist as Arafat, I feel sorry for you man. Get a gun and go kill people.

You're a moron.

I don't want to get a gun and I don't want to f**king kill people.

I don't hate the palestinian people.

I hate Arafat and his bunch of terrorists.

How is wanting terrorsits dead as "fanaticism"?
Explain this to me.

You read about Arafat hijacking planes and killing civilians.
You read about Arafat nurturing Hamas and Jihad.

Then you talk to me about who is a fanaticist.

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:48

Originally posted by Waku
Unfortunately there are not evidences of understanding from any side, that's why this conflict lasts forever. And both of them should know it's the only way. They are condemned to withstand eachother, otherwise there's not solution.

You're not talking about two people misunderstanding each other.

You're talking about Palestinian leaders, who since 1920s have been using every political trick in the book to kick the Jews out.

**BlackStone** · March 31, 2002, 16:49

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Explain to me again why is N. Ireland isn't a normal part of Ireland ?

Nice try Siro, Northern Ireland has a prodestant (loyalist) majority which wants to remain part of the UK. Try having a referendum on Israeli occupation in the Occupied territories and see how many votes you get.

The only paralel is that the IRA was founded on the inequality of Britsh rule and fueled by injustices (ironically that they went on to commit themselves). In this there is a similarity.

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:49

Originally posted by Waku
I wonder what would you do when after finally have got rid of the palestinian and spelt them from their... your... "there", bunches of christian settlers start to build camps around. Of course you would feel rightfull enough to get your tanks over them too. You're the chosen ones.

Who the **** is talking about getting rid of the Palestinians?

Again, you're judging Israel according to your own biases.

And what the **** is the relationship of christians to this? You still angry that Jews killed Jesus?

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:51

Originally posted by BlackStone
Nice try Siro, Northern Ireland has a prodestant (loyalist) majority which wants to remain part of the UK. Try having a referendum on Israeli occupation in the Occupied territories and see how many votes you get.

If I build some more settlements, and include the settlers in the vote, I'm sure I can also get a marjority which wants to remain part of Israel.

**BlackStone** · March 31, 2002, 16:53

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Explain to me again why is N. Ireland isn't a normal part of Ireland ?

About the land if there were Albanians living in the region 50 years ago it would not make it part of Albania. They would just make up part of a minority populace in the area, nothing more.

**Sirotnikov** · March 31, 2002, 16:53

Originally posted by BlackStone
I didn`t say there were not Jews living there. Though there certainly weren`t that many. I am saying that you took the land and that it is not yours to be generous with.

Sure it is.

Just like it is the palestinian's land to be generous with, when they claim they want "22% of historic palestine".

They're generous by giving up those territories in palestine which are now syria, lebanon, jordan and israel.

There were expulsions and murders (on both sides) prior to this you did not have one side systematically changing the demographics.

Systematically changing the demographics?
You mean, like having 6 kids per family?
Like 600,000 refugees becoming 4 million?

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