Arafat an enemy - a cease fire suggestion that came too late

[Waku]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Again, you're an idiot.

you're a nazi, go get that gun, you're looking fwd to.

Good luck

[Az]

Originally posted by CapTVK


There are lies, damned lies, statistics and politically motivated statistics. People always tend to draw a straight or exponential line straight into the future with either the apocalyps or eternal bliss at the end. They were using the same kind of statistics to describe the "red threat" when the cold war started. Nothing new there

So the statistics you can read everywhere lie ? OK. can't argue with that.

And if the muslim birthrate really bothers you, the Hindu population is coming along nicely...

yes! ...

You remind me of Malthus, Dalghetti...

oh... who is he?

Old Goebbels would have been proud...

8.5/10


BS ( let the spam flow! ) :

nothing , nothing ....

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by BlackStone
Sincerely, I try not to. It would be a pointless exercise, I think that soem people just get carried away. And it can severely hamper you take on a quote by someone if you have already made up your mind. A self full filling prophercy (sp) i think its called.

I have no idea where waku takes all that "chosen one" bull****.

If anything, if you really had any idea of the Torah you'd knew that the "chosen one" doesn't at all mean any kind of racial superiority.

It just means that Jews were chosen by god. Not because of any "superiority", and nor does their status give them any "superiority". Just more duties. Period.

Nowhere does god say Jews are better than non jews.

Now, I'm not even religious, as is some 60% of the Jewish society in Israel.

But even I know that.

This "chosen one" bull**** is infact only used by extreme left wingers to try and blame jews of racism.

But anyone who knows Jews, knows that you can hardly find this in the secular Jewish society, which is a great majority.

And you can find similar things in the religious society, because of it's religious nature. Religious people tend to think of themselves as "just" and "more moral" than non-religious folk.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Nonsense.

It wasn't to "derail any efforts at peace".

It was used as part of Arafat's strategy, to get more land.

He gave the Hamas a free hand, and then told Israel that to stop them, Israel has to give up more.

The fact that Arafat has used Hamas to pressure Israel, doesnt mean that Hamas's own goal is not to derail peace. Arafat and Hamas have used each other, even when advancing different long range goals.

LOTM

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Waku
you're a nazi, go get that gun, you're looking fwd to.

Good luck

You had that thought way before you entered this thread.
You never read what I said, nor have you cared what I have to say.

Numerously I explained to you I want to stop palestinian militants. Numerously I explained that I do care for the civilians.

Go read your fairytales. You don't care about the truth.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Siro et al. I must admit, you guys are really amazingly good in diverting attention away from Israels atrocities into completely pointless discussion about birthrates...

Old Goebbels would have been proud...

Oh yeah, that's right.

I forgot how waging war on militants is an atrocity yet comitting acts of terror against innocent civilian population is just and right.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


The fact that Arafat has used Hamas to pressure Israel, doesnt mean that Hamas's own goal is not to derail peace. Arafat and Hamas have used each other, even when advancing different long range goals.

LOTM

I used to think so.

But Hamas's leaders have stated that they would support a peace agreement as "a tactical stage in Israel's destruction".

Now, this "tactical stage" strategy has been often discussed by PLO officials.

This lead me to the conclusion that they are cooperating.

[Waku]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
You never read what I said, nor have you cared what I have to say.
Go read your fairytales. You don't care about the truth.

Your truth is to say "Nonsense" when someone disagrees with you (not to mention your predilection to insult).

[Sirotnikov]

Ok, now I ask people who aren't part of this -

Who is right, Waku or me?

Has Waku been seeing only what he wants to see?
Has he judged me according to his pre-judices?

Or have I been calling for the expelling and destruction of Palestinains?
Have I been claiming I'm the "chosen one"?

You be the judge.

I'm sick and tired of arguing with the likes of him who don't care what I have to say, and have their mind made up in advance.

[Waku]

Sure, how many muslims are there?

[CyberGnu]

and I apparently forgot how stealing someones land and then calling them terrorists when they try to take it back is all right and just.

Oddly, I still don't see how that works. I guess I'm just a decent human beign...

It is not too late, Siro. Behave like one you too.

Have a nice weekend. Take a shower. Take a walk. Eat a good meal.

And contemplate that a few miles from you there are 5 million people who cannot do this mainly because you reserve that right for yourself....

And then ask yourself why they are angry... So angry that they are willing to die if only they get a good chance of taking one your people with them...

think about that before you apologize for the next Israeli murder.

Not that I expect it to do much good. Not that I want to inslut you personally, but I expect that for someone who has been indoctrinated into jewish supremacy and the right to stolen land, other peoples suffering propably won't do much to faze you...

[BlackStone]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Dalgetti
look , BS () , If I'd be Muslim , like would be better for me socially. But I find your system of doing things unfair. esp. for women. Anyway, as you can see on the left , I am a commie. /QUOTE]

*Serious face*

I think that you will find that the faith isn`t anti women, the stuff that you here about is cultural or localised B@llocks. I can assure you that any of that stuff has nothing to do with anything i believe in.

*face reverts back to normal*

Heres a joke for you

There was an international feminist conference held in London this week.
Here is some of the speakers that attended.

A German women speaker stood up and said "I told my husband that I was not going to do the ironing any more and that it would be up to him to do it from now on, the next day i went to work and came home to find that he had done all of the ironing, i could not see one piece of clothing that needed to be iron in the whole house" the conference were on their feet cheering and clapping.

Then a French women spoke. "Last week I told my husband that I would not do any more hovering or dusting and that it was up to him. When i came back to the house the following day I could not see a spec of dust anywhere, and ever since then he has done all of the hovering and dusting" Again the conference were on their feet whooping and cheering.

Then a Turkish women stood up to speak "I told my husband that I was not going to do the dishes any longer. I told him that from now on he would have to wash up after the evening meal. The first day i could see nothing, and again the second i could not see athing, by the third I could see alittle out of my right eye.........


*the turkish can be substituted for any race, no meaning to cause any offense to any turkish people, it was told to me by a turkish friend*

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Why don't you read their own statistics.

No thanks, statistics are already my job...

Go check some old cold war era newspapers. Oh yeah, old 50-60's USSR statistics have a large margin of error. Even those for the IMF..it's all about definitions and applying differing methods of measurement...(which definitely goes for China today btw, their growth figures still remain impressive despite this)

You remind me of Malthus, Dalghetti...

Who is he?

Thomas Robert Malthus (1766-1834)
An English economist and cleric, mostly known for his projections of population growth and resulting food shortages because agriculture would not be able to keep up with the population. End result: Malthusian Dieoff . Any further increase would result in a population crash, caused by famine, disease or war. He advocated moral restraint to keep the population growth under control. In developed countries this bleak scenario has not happened thanks due to the agricultural revolution and better methods of birth control (contraception).

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
and I apparently forgot how stealing someones land and then calling them terrorists when they try to take it back is all right and just.

Apparently, we need to come up with a definition of the terms guerrila & terrorist.

Here's my attaempt at it:

Guerrila: Guerrilas are irregular soldiers who wage war on regular military forces, secret police agencies, and governmental counter-insurgency police units. Guerrilas do not prefer civilian targets. They do not conciously select civilian victims.

Terrorist: Terrorists target weak and defenseless civilians: old men, women, children--anyone in fact except soldiers--if they can avoid it.

I'll let you choose which is the more respectable form of warfare.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Waku
Your truth is to say "Nonsense" when someone disagrees with
you (not to mention your predilection to insult).

I explain my statements and opinions.

I gave you several links with proofs and explanations.

You so far, have not brought one thing which isn't based on prejudice.

Instead you choose to say I'm lying about my intentions for the palestinian people, based on your imagination.

Then you involve the religious factor which is completely irrelevant to this political thing. but your prejudic tells you it's a religious conflict.

Then, again, based on your prejudice, you blaim me for thinking of myself as a "chosen one".

And yes, when people start saying things about me which I consider insults (like saying I wish to rid of the palestinian people, or that I think of myself as a chosen one) I get mad.