Arafat an enemy - a cease fire suggestion that came too late

[Sirotnikov]

The Israeli government, after 7 hours of debate, declares Arafat an enemy of the Israeli state, and announce he will be secluded and isolated.

This comes, after the govt. was short from deciding to exile Arafat, but after tremendous pressure from Avoda members, and all chiefs of Israel's intelligence communities (Shin Bet, Aman, Mossad).

This is already followed by an action to make another medium term incursion into A terrains, and will attack terrorist targets and perform house to house search.

The PA will not be destroyed, it was decided.

This comes after for two weeks of inactivity from the Israeli side, dozens of people were killed, after Arafat did not take any steps to lower the fire, or declare a cease fire.

[Sirotnikov]

Off Topic:

Screw CNN - I posted it first in the whole f*cking wide world

[The Mad Monk]

Just heard here on the radio--Arafat's compound on fire--reported to AP Wire from inside the compound.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Just heard here on the radio--Arafat's compound on fire--reported to AP Wire from inside the compound.

Reportedly Arafat is still inside according to what i just heard.

[Sirotnikov]

Btw, this all could have been prevented by an Assassination.

Israel knew the terrorist that comitted the massacare in the "Park" cafe, and only days ago filed a request to arrest him, calling him a "ticking bomb".

The PA, as usually, ignroed this.

Israel didn't assassinate him because of it's unilateral cesation of use of force.

Now we deal with the consequences of Arafat not acting, and Israel not defending itself.

[blackice]

Arafat is playing the same old game nuke the F*** Ie

I know I hurt you but please don't hurt me...enough of the BS It is war...well ok one side is targeting civilians life.... Come on terrorists must be stopped....

[Richelieu]

Yesterday we were talking about a chance for peace. We were talking about the Arab league proposal. Today all that has been forgotten.
The way i see this, there is only one way that this will ever end:

The Israeli people will have to say : We stop.

The Intifada will not. The terrosists will not. Not for some time anyway.
There will be many more dead on the Jewish side. But eventually it will end. When (and only when) there is no more retaliation,
when Israel decides that it will not use it's military superiority, that's when a peace process can be initiated.

[The Mad Monk]

Israel had no retaliation for two freaking weeks.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Reportedly Arafat is still inside according to what i just heard.

Burn baby burn

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Richelieu

The Israeli people will have to say : We stop.

We said that in 1993 on the white house lawn.
We said that in 1995 in the rally where Rabin was assassinated.
We said that in 1999 when Barak won.
We said that in 2000 during camp david.
We said that in 2000 when we were negociation under fire since september until late december.


Read this about how arafat have done nothing to stop terror during all this time:

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=89

[Sirotnikov]

The CNN translation is quite good.. except when they sometimes ignroe whole sentances.

Some half of the current question was about Iraq, and the commentator ignored it completely.

This made Sharon's answer look wierd, since the viewers thought he was answering another question.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And now, in steps Hamas, and terrorism WILL increases

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

We said that in 1993 on the white house lawn.
We said that in 1995 in the rally where Rabin was assassinated.
We said that in 1999 when Barak won.
We said that in 2000 during camp david.
We said that in 2000 when we were negociation under fire since september until late december.


Read this about how arafat have done nothing to stop terror during all this time:

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/artic...m?articleid=89

You're right on all counts : i'm not saying the effort hasn't been made.
The thing is : it's enough (more than enough) for us. But you're not dealing with us.
You're dealing with them.

To be blunt, I think the only way out of this is Gandhi's way. You will have to suffer for a long time. And accept it.
Or.
You will have to keep doing what you're doing and they'll keep doing what they're doing.
Or
You have to get rid of them.
And then, you'll have to deal with the rest of the world.

[Sirotnikov]

Uh-uh.

In the last incursion, we made an error.

We went from town to town - which allowed the toughest terrorists to run like little girls, dressed in women's clothes, from town to town, ahead of the Israeli forces.

This time, we go on everything at once - no place to hide.

Furthermore, last time we isolated Ramallah, most of the terrorists hid in Arafat's court, and IDF refrained from entering it.

This time - it's the first thing we took

[Sirotnikov]

To be blunt, I think the only way out of this is Gandhi's way. You will have to suffer for a long time. And accept it.

Accept the fact that we are aiding Arafat to form a state which endorses terror and supports Hamas, Ilsamic Jihad, Tanzim, Fatah and such?

Accept the fact that each time Arafat wants more land he gives Hamas the green light?

Never more. No appeasement. It didn't work with Hitler.

Sadly, that's what a small group of lefties thinks we should do.

You will have to keep doing what you're doing and they'll keep doing what they're doing.

Which means ignoring the problem, and continuing leaving this unresolved, only prolonging the suffering of the two peoples.

Never more. No ignoring. It didn't work with Osama.

You have to get rid of them.
And then, you'll have to deal with the rest of the world.

Rid of whom?
Of Arafat & Hamas & Fatah - Yes.

Anyone who wants to stay and live peacefully in a Palestinian state next to an Israeli state, Israel and I welcome him to stay.