"Darwin's Dangerous Disciple"

[David Floyd]

I'm sorry, you're correct - I was referring to federal laws.

[Dr Strangelove]

Hitler may have gotten support from his Christian countrymen, but the Nazi theory could hardly be considered Christian. Hitler and most of the major party officials loathed Christianity and blamed it for what they saw as the sorry mess that Germany had become after WWI, What the Nazis worshipped was primarily bad science, the type foisted by social Darwinists in the late 19th century.

Even Buddhists are capable of going off on either conquering or killing sprees. The first political leader to adopt Buddhism as his official religion was a king named Asoka. His newly adopted Buddhists beliefs didn't stop him from conquering India. Pagans can get pretty nasty too. Consider the Romans, Atilla, Genghis Khan, Alexander and the list just goes on and on.

[devilmunchkin]

As to child molestation, let's not blame that on Christianity

i never said they were. in fact, don't most official xian sects consider them heretical since they are a doomsday cult?

i think this might help as to WHY they were raiding the compound:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/treasury.html

[Kaak]

LR, you seem to be completely oblivious to causal realtions. Most of the things you are talking about occured either because of derrangement, insanity, or a completely different set of values.

Hate to break it to you buddy, but crazy people can claim to be christians, but christianity doesn't make them crazy. their are crazy people on both sides of that fence...

[devilmunchkin]

i
agree
with
kaak

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by devilmunchkin
i
agree
with
kaak

I didn't think that I'd ever see you post such a thing.

[devilmunchkin]

dino: i look at things fairly. when i agree, i agree. I'm not going to say he's wrong over one thing just because i might disagree with other things he says. *shrugs* at the same time, LR hasn't really commented on his position. He's stuck this article out there and made extremely little comment on it (at least you can't complain about himbeing over-verbose )
i AM interested to see if he has a more in depth take on this

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kaak
Hate to break it to you buddy, but crazy people can claim to be christians, but christianity doesn't make them crazy.

That's debatable. Anyway, the problem with this is Christianity gives any crazy person with an agenda credibility, and it seemed like nobody from Christian authorities (e.g. the Roman Catholic Church) denounced these crazy people.

IIRC the RCC was found to be guilty conviving with Nazis.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
IIRC the RCC was found to be guilty conviving with Nazis.

I'd like to see evidence of this given the fact that the Catholic Church (Pope) condemned the Nazi party and saved 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps.

[devilmunchkin]

isn't that why he said crazy on both sides of the fence? yes, atheists (me included) might consider Xians off a bit because they do believe in an omniscient overlord of sorts,
but this can also be debatable. (wow..wouldn't it be neat if a good part of the world's population was crazy)...
i hate to say it..but then we'd need to DEFINE crazy/insane
or come up with some other interpretation for man's need for a god

[Kaak]

that's a nice change DM, I particularly like how you put all those words on different lines so they couldn't necessairly be considered in the same sentence lol

[devilmunchkin]

change? i didn't change. i've always been that way:
when i agree with you i agree with you
when i don't...you know it!

i structured it for emphasis

[Kaak]

hmmm...by change i meant that you actually agree with me as opposed to disagreeing. I wasn't suggesting that you yourself had changed

[devilmunchkin]

ok. cool

[Logical Realist]

Kaak:
Hate to break it to you buddy, but crazy people can claim to be christians, but christianity doesn't make them crazy. their are crazy people on both sides of that fence...

Seems like there are a lot of people who just happen to become crazy and pursue religious agendas.

A bit too much for me to take that argument seriously. What about "untouchables" in India...not religion...just people being "crazy" for thousands of years.

I'd like to see evidence of this given the fact that the Catholic Church (Pope) condemned the Nazi party and saved 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps.

I'd like to see evidence of that seeing as the Catholics were scared of the Nazis.

Strangelove: Hitler may have gotten support from his Christian countrymen, but the Nazi theory could hardly be considered Christian. Hitler and most of the major party officials loathed Christianity and blamed it for what they saw as the sorry mess that Germany had become after WWI, What the Nazis worshipped was primarily bad science, the type foisted by social Darwinists in the late 19th century.

Hitler like many quacks was into both, the occult and Christianity. Some Nazi higher ups were like you said, Pagans, mainly Heinrich Himmlerr, but they were also considered kinda silly by a lot of Germans.

Hitler's only problem with Christianity was that it supposedly wasn't warlike enough for him(he much prefered the Japanese Shinto one).. But that didn't prevent him from making war. The idea of heaven can get men to die for a cause pretty easily. Hitler also saw Christianity as a German religion and hence the one he chose.

Even Buddhists are capable of going off on either conquering or killing sprees. The first political leader to adopt Buddhism as his official religion was a king named Asoka. His newly adopted Buddhists beliefs didn't stop him from conquering India. Pagans can get pretty nasty too. Consider the Romans, Atilla, Genghis Khan, Alexander and the list just goes on and on.

I agree, but this in no way excuses Christianity or proves its effects aren't negative. (it only proves that other religious beliefs are negative as well.) And to that position I agree. Religions were made in militaristic societies and hence reflect the values of those people. The idea of matyrdom being one of them.