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the point is, LR, that christianity has nothing to do with it. it might be a means of exploiting madness, but no more than hindus, muslims, atheists, or any other group you want to label. THERE IS NO CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP.
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"Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
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See that begs the question. And assumes all ideologies are equal. They are not. Some can be questioned...others are based on faith. Some are derived from war cultures....others from scientists. To say they all "exploit the crazy" equally you must prove that they are all the same. They are not. Abrahamic religions in this context are a paticularly nasty breed.THERE IS NO CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP.
Also what makes you think that ALL these people are crazy? The people who slammed into the world trade center could fly a plane and pulled off a very well coordinated attack. That takes sanity.Last edited by Guest; March 20, 2002, 04:43.Comment
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it neither begs the question nor makes assumptions about ideologies. It says that it's irrelevent. which it is. you need to pay better attention in class.See that begs the question. And assumes all ideologies are equal."Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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ha ha ha haOriginally posted by Logical Realist
See that begs the question. And assumes all ideologies are equal. They are not. Some can be questioned...others are based on faith. Some are derived from war cultures....others from scientists. To say they all "exploit the crazy" equally you must prove that they are all the same. They are not. Abrahamic religions in this context area paticularly nasty breed.
right, Christianity encourages questioning
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Name one passage in the Gospels in praise of intelligence then.right, Christianity encourages questioning
Actually Christian encourages faith. That's not compatable with a questioning mind.Comment
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most modern philosophers will tell you that the two are unrealated. Faith and reason fall into two distinct and seperate fieldsActually Christian encourages faith. That's not compatable with a questioning mind."Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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what about psalms in reference to solomon?"Speaking on the subject of conformity: This rotting concept of the unfathomable nostril mystifies the fuming crotch of my being!!! Stop with the mooing you damned chihuahua!!! Ganglia!! Rats eat babies!" ~ happy noodle boyComment
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Not really. And if the distinction is recognized it doesn't mean they are compatible when given in the same respect. If you believe something on faith, you don't question it.most modern philosophers will tell you that the two are unrealated. Faith and reason fall into two distinct and seperate fields
BTW Psalms is OT. I asked for Gospels. But if you want to play that way we can compare all Bible quotes praising intellect and doubt and those praising blind faith. See who comes out ahead.Comment
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yes it isOriginally posted by Logical Realist
Name one passage in the Gospels in praise of intelligence then.
Actually Christian encourages faith. That's not compatable with a questioning mind.
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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Regardless of whether Hitler himself was a Christian or not, he was certainly a theist, and many Nazis were Christian. Furthermore, there was a long tradition of Christian anti-Semitism in Germany: it was Martin Luther who wrote The Jews and their Lies. In fact, Christianity has always been the main source of anti-Semitism (Christians blaming Jews for the death of Jesus).
We atheists have Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. But not Hitler. Thanks for the offer, but you guys can keep him.Comment
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*sigh*
Read up on William of Ockham to start with...Not really. And if the distinction is recognized it doesn't mean they are compatible when given in the same respect. If you believe something on faith, you don't question it.
being a christian does not exclude you from the realm of science.
The only support you could argue is once again a hardline strict interpretation of the bible which most christians just don't purport. Believing that there is a god and that i will go to heaven has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I believe in evolution."Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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Historical footnote:Originally posted by David Floyd
Hitler was about as religious as the Easter Bunny, and whatever he said was for political propaganda only.
The Easter Bunny, like the Easter Egg, is an ancient pagan symbol of fertility. The word "Easter" comes from the goddess Eostre, also known as Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess of love and fertility. The Spring fertility festival, still celebrated on the first Sunday following the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox, is the source of both the Jewish Passover and the Christian Easter.
So, if you're saying that Hitler was as religious as a Christian festival with strongly pagan overtones, we are in agreement.Comment
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Oh... the ignorance can make one so wrong
I keep wondering how someone that sistematically demonstrates he doesn't give a damn about reading anything slightly religious starts saying that the Islamic religion is not a religion of peace or that murder is not against the Islamic religion.Originally posted by Logical Realist
I'm pretty sure a lot of them did. But that doesn't mean that the action violated Islamic principles or that Islam is a religion of peace.
I mean, if you don't know exactly what you are talking about, you should take for granted the opinion of speciallists. Most of the Islamic leaders pubicly stated that the action in 9:11 was against Islamic principles, and, in fact, had no support on them.
But surelly you, a strongly commited atheist, interpret their principles much better then them...
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Another hystorical note:
The Eastern Bunny has no connection to the Celebration of Christs Resurection nor with the Hebrew Liberation from Egipt. Therefore, the Eastern Bunny has not a shred of connection with the Christian Eastern.
However, the fact that some people think it is, shows much about the way one can claim to be Christian and do something according to Christian comandments and some people actually believe. What is pretty odd, since the Christian Law, aka, The Ten Comandments is pretty common knowledge, as far as I recall.
And in what concerns almost all off the examples presented by LR let me remind you of the need to contextualize.
Also atheism is pretty much a new thing and already we see that it does not prevent the horrible things LR blaims on religion. So why do it?Comment
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funnyDarwin's Dangerous Disciple
Dennett published a book called "Darwin's Dangerous Idea".
any connection?Quod Me Nutrit Me DestruitComment
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