"Darwin's Dangerous Disciple"

[Logical Realist]

I have to wonder, LR, if you've considered all the millions upon millions of acts of charity and kindness carried out in the name of religion.

Yes, of course. Many good things were also done in the name of religion. The Catholic Chruch went against Jim Crow laws in the sixties, Quaker's helped sneak out slaves and such. But I think things like that do not make up for the general bigotry and slow down in technology brought about by religion. In any case, I think such values like charity can also be promoted by humanist groups and such. More ffectively, since such groups use cuting edge science and reasoning to do this with. Even if religion did some good things in the past, I don't think its needed anymore.

I also looked at those articles concerning the Christian Identity movement. None of them, even though they were by Christians, said religion was not a motivation. At most I guess, one can say that their "interpretation" is wrong. But how can that be done when interpretations are a matter of faith? I always like to try to remember that for every scripture that can be made better by interpretation, there is one that can be made worse. (Galileo showed this to the Catholic Church when one apologist declared that the moon was really a perfect sphere despite the observed craters due to invisible glass that might be there...filling up the craters. To this Galileo responded by saying that there might be glass mountains as well, making the moon even bumpier).

Now the Christian Identity movement does have some obvious flaws though. One concerning how all human's alive today come from an Cain and Abel split, when only one line would be left after the Noachian flood? (Another miracle perhaps?)

Like I said the real damage here comes from suspending critical thought and in that way leaving the field open for a bogus belief as a matter of faith.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Logical Realist
As for the Christian Identity movement, religion clearly has something to do with it, either in an attempt to legitimize it or is somehow actually rooted in the beliefs, remains an open topic.

Of course. I never stated otherwise. How could they have made such a perversion of Christian doctrine without at least having something to do with religion? If you want I could even list other racist cults. It might even give me a little amusement but it wouldn't move the debate foward one iota because it would still fail to even deal with the assertion that either Religion or Christianity as a whole is a malevolent force. Since you granted something to me further down in your post, I will grant you something. The perversion of religious doctrine, of which the Identity Movement is an example, can be evil and do great harm.

I for one am not so deluded as to think Marxism had no influence over the Soviet Union.

I'll let che or one of the other Apolyton Commies deal with this.

(Though Hitler was still pro-Catholic).

Hitler was not a friend of the Catholic faith and neither was the man Christian. One need only look at Mein Kampf to establish that much. Here's an interesting article on the subject for you: Adolf Hitler - Christian, Atheist, or Neither?