"Darwin's Dangerous Disciple"

[David Floyd]

9th ammendment? I don't want to ever see you complain about the SCOTUS expanding its own power again.

Right to privacy is perfectly justifiable under the 9th...gun ownership could fall under that, or 9th Amendment implied property rights.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Right to privacy is perfectly justifiable under the 9th

We aren't argueing the right to privacy.

...gun ownership could fall under that,

I'd actually like to see that arguement.

or 9th Amendment implied property rights.

Yeah and AA (along with the drug war, etc.) is justified under the federal governments constitutionally mandated power to regulate interstate commerce.

[mactbone]

Hmm, that atomic bomb i'm building in the back yard is perfectly safe then, at least according to the constitution. It would be considered an "arm" wouldn't it?

I wonder if anyone ever tried to give a bear arms?

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by MacTBone
I wonder if anyone ever tried to give a bear arms?

Probably not voluntarily. Usually they just rip 'em off.

What an odd threadjacking we have here.

[David Floyd]

I'd actually like to see that arguement.

Actually, privacy restricts forced gun registration, tracking, and waiting periods, IMO, and the implied property rights prevent restricting actual ownership.

Yeah and AA (along with the drug war, etc.) is justified under the federal governments constitutionally mandated power to regulate interstate commerce.

Really? I take it you aren't familiar with Justice Thomas's arguments to the contrary, then. I believe you can find examples of his arguments in US v Lopez and US v Morisson, but I could be wrong on the exact cases.

[David Floyd]

Hmm, that atomic bomb i'm building in the back yard is perfectly safe then, at least according to the constitution. It would be considered an "arm" wouldn't it?

Safe? I wouldn't think so. That's not the argument, though, is it?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Really? I take it you aren't familiar with Justice Thomas's arguments to the contrary, then.

Unless Heart of Atlanta v. United States has been overturned (sub silentio or otherwise) without my knowledge, Justice Thomas's arguements fall on deaf ears.

[David Floyd]

Unless Heart of Atlanta v. United States has been overturned (sub silentio or otherwise) without my knowledge, Justice Thomas's arguements fall on deaf ears.

Certainly, but that doesn't mean his arguments are in correct. And for the record Heart of Atlanta v US was a horrible decision that should be overturned.

[mactbone]

So, no matter the potential for mass destruction, it's OK? Sorry, too many idiots. You, and many people may be able to handle the responsibility, but not the majority of the population. Although it only takes one person to spoil everyone's fun.

[David Floyd]

So, no matter the potential for mass destruction, it's OK?

Yup.

In any case, I would submit that the human brain is capable of worse and more destructive things than any weapon, under the right circumstances.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Certainly, but that doesn't mean his arguments are in correct.

I never said that they weren't correct. Just that they don't represent the majority opinion of the Court who likes reading into the Constitution things that aren't there which the 9th ammendment is extremely friendly to.

Yup.

Interesting. Even Berz draws the line at nukes. Granted the whole idea is stupid to begin with.

[David Floyd]

I never said that they weren't correct. Just that they don't represent the majority opinion of the Court who likes reading into the Constitution things that aren't there which the 9th ammendment is extremely friendly to.

Actually the 9th covers pretty much anything, so long as we are talking about rights rather than entitlements.

Interesting. Even Berz draws the line at nukes. Granted the whole idea is stupid to begin with.

He does? You sure? Wraith certainly doesn't, nor do I.

[Urban Ranger]

The problems with religions are:

1. They are authoritarian. Words are passed from the top down.

2. Questions are not allowed. Faith is the thing.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Actually the 9th covers pretty much anything, so long as we are talking about rights rather than entitlements.

Given your opposition to the 14th ammendment, I fail to see how you can oppose State gun control measures.

He does? You sure?

IIRC. If he's ever gets on ICQ again, I'll ask him to be sure.

[DinoDoc]

UR: We aren't discussing religions anymore.