confessions of a bigot

[Giancarlo]

We must stop shouting at each other so our voices can be heard. A wide range of opinions is good, making the thoughts and expressions here diverse. Bombastic rhetoric to rhetoric with promises it cannot deliever is dangerous.

Lets lower our voices so everyone can be heard. One opinion is not right, nor is it wrong.... it is just an opinion. However an opinion can go too far. That is one thing I am still learning.

[Asher]

[Ramo]

I swear, Giannie is a clone of Shrub.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Giancarlo- how exactly does an openly professed detestation of a sizeable social group, coupled with a ham-fisted attempt to justify this, become conducive to diversity of opinions?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
Giancarlo- how exactly does an openly professed detestation of a sizeable social group, coupled with a ham-fisted attempt to justify this, become conducive to diversity of opinions?

I deny that this social group is anything pero sizeable.

If only one opinion is allowed on this issue, and that is your's or most of the people here who accept homosexuality, means a lack of diversity of opinions. Can one not hold a different opinion then you?

[Az]

Damn you ! People are trying to have some supper around here !

Originally posted by connorkimbro
Did you lose the taste for sausage sandwich again, Gianni?

---====Note to self : in the future , never bring food with homoerotical conotations while eating.====---


Giancarlo's last post :

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Two points, Giancarlo. Firstly, edit out the "but" in that first line or you'll make a fool of yourself.

Secondly- read the thread. As I said, he is entitled to an opinion. However, when you start a thread on the subject in what appears to be either an attempt at justification or a plea for acceptability, expect vocal dissent. That is our right.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
Two points, Giancarlo. Firstly, edit out the "but" in that first line or you'll make a fool of yourself.

For now on I will type in Spanglish, if it is suitable by your crazy standards.

Secondly- read the thread. As I said, he is entitled to an opinion. However, when you start a thread on the subject in what appears to be either an attempt at justificaton or a plea for acceptability, expect vocal dissent. That is our right.

One hundred percent absolutely most certainly. I am not holding a gun to your head saying you cannot. Infact you are free to say what you want, as am I.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Crazy standards? It was a double negative, you bizarre child. In effect it left you saying that gays are a sizeable grouping- which wasn't what you were intending, was it?

[Drekkus]

Kaak,

There are loads of gay men around of which you don't know they're gay. My brother is gay and when people find out they're alwasy surprised, because he's not the happy gay-kind. So your opinion on gays is largely built on the 'visible' gays, which is only a segment of the whole group.

I'm still not sure why exactly do you hate (eh, 'dislike') gays. Because they act unnatural and immoral? Isn't it a good christian belief not to hate? As long as you've never been raped by a big fat gay, why would you dislike them? Why would you dislike a group of people who never done anything wrong to you, except maybe make you feel akward because they are not like you. Do you want everyone to be like you? If a guy gets his kicks from another guy, what the f#ck would you care? Even if they come on to you, just say no. Or do they make you dream funny afterwards?

I still don't understand why you made this thread. Because you're now comfortable with your hate? I'm no christian (not practising anyway), but I do believe the Kingdom of Heaven is within. As long as you have hatred ('dislike') in your heart, you will never accomplish that. Hate people for what they have done, not for what they are.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
Crazy standards? It was a double negative, you bizarre child. In effect it left you saying that gays are a sizeable grouping- which wasn't what you were intending, was it?

Are you American?

In the US they use this statement: Anything but this... anything but that. Anything but sizable, means not sizable. I don't think I got it flip-flopped.

[Ramo]

"I deny that this social group is anything but sizeable. "
See, there are two negatives. You're actually saying that there are a lot of gays.

[Bereta_Eder]

You know I always thought that demonizing someone never does any good. (not that you have done it with Kaak but I'm just saying). Oh unless he's a right - winger of course (j/k)

Before we point any fingers, maybe it is good to take a moment and think about ourselves. How many times haven't we laughed at jokes that are detrimental (is this the right word? like - offensive) towards homosexual people.

Doesn't this have the same root as Kaak's bigotry?

I don't know, I still think it is a matter of whom you have met and what impression they have left you with.
Or you haven't met anyone and you rely on what other people say.

And if you think that it is not a matter of "choice" then you can't really judge people for being who they are as long as they don't harm you or anyone else.

Of course this goes for "choice" too. If they don't harm you, what's the problem?

And another thing: being "gay" should not be what "defines" a person in his entirety.

I think it's wrong to let this aspect of them cover up all other aspects of their personality.

If he's fun to hang around then so much the better. If he's a boring person then he can bugger off.

As for the act of sodomy (no Greek sex jokes you feckers!) I don't think that's the problem.

I think Kaak finds repulsive the idea of two men doing it. But letting this cover up all else is misguided IMO.

[MrFun]

I have a question for Kaak or anyone interested in answering.

Can you be a bigot towards a group of people, and not hate that same group of people?

He used the word bigot towards himself in his initial post, and yet, he says he never used the word hate. What's the point -- you basically said you hated us if you said you're bigoted towards us. Or, am I wrong with that??

[Kaak]

fabulous, i'm sorry i missed your post. with 40 people arguing on one side, and only me on the other, I miss some things, especially late at night...

As far as the groups you listed, only one has a defining characteristic that is an act. There is nothing that a person does that makes him black. There is nothing a person does that makes him retarded. This is something a person does that makes them gay. To group them all together is a blatant over-generalization.

I made this thread for a few reasons. One, it was self analysis. I did some thinking, and realized how i felt, and my own inward reactions to it. secondly, I thought it would create an interesting response, which i believe it has. Some people are very angry about the post, and have made illogical, irrational arguments to "show what a fool I am." Kind of funny.

I really do not believe that anyone is perfect. Some people hide there imperfections, and hope that no one will ever notice

I am not one of those people. I have posted mine here for everyone to see. So chastize me as you will, could you do the same? Wait, i'm sorry. Sometimes i forget that i am the only imperfect one here.

Also, if you'll notice from the beginning, I never claimed to be right. I merely stated how i felt. I said then that it was bigotry. While this post may have been intended to illicit a response, it was not to gain acceptance for my opinions, or anything else. If i truly cared what the lot of you thought of me, I would not have posted what I did. I new the consensus of the forums on the matter before i posted, and I new it would draw a lot of fire.

Hope this cleared things up a little. Love you all
Kaak