The war.. is imminent

[Shogun Gunner]

I was going to ask you about movies...I assume I could find these in English. If I can get both, I'll watch them in chronological order - Winter War then Tuntematon Sotilas.

[Pekka]

Yeah. But just remember they're not super high budget movies and the other one is pretty old.. so don't expect saving private ryan . But still, they're pretty good if you're into those sort of movies.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098437/...1sPTF8bm09b24_;fc=1;ft=21;fm=1
that's winter war.. pretty high ratings.. 7.7

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048752/...w9MXxubT1vbg__;fc=1;ft=2;fm=1
7.6 ratings..

So pretty well rated films. But just don't expect Hollywood type of big budget.

Both are pretty stupid, because they're impossible to .. do subtitles to it. It's just impossible. Just think that every sentence is the most nasty swearing you've ever heard and that's what it's really saying. There's no damns or oh boys in it. It's the f and the c word most of the times. Even the old one is nasty .

[Pekka]

But in case you're interested in historical facts, facts of battles, then these are not the most informative ones, even though they have little backround info.. but very little. They kind of expect you to know the area rather well already watching this movie.

There are newer movies also made.. but I'm not recomminding them as these are 'more important'. But they're more 'Hollywood' as in they care more about the cinematic things. But in case you truly like these, then I shall give you more movies, which are more 'modern'.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Azazel

Azazel, or they could have choose to die if Stalin had had his ways.

Stalin had his ways in Russia, and most people have survived his terrible reign. Had Hitler won, The disaster would have been ten-fold, and would spell a catastrophy for the entire world, and of course, them as well.

Actually, there are many who claim that Stalin was worse than Hitler, and that many more failed to survive him and Lenin than who went down under Hitler. I know you don't like it, but there it is.

[Shogun Gunner]

Well, I've read enough to at least have a working knowledge of the history.

I like old war movies...I got hooked long ago watching the TV series "Combat" with Vic Morrow. The stories of how the squad dealt the war and tried to survive is the best part of the show. It's not all Rambo crap...those war movies suck. Not realistic all.

I'm all for realism, so I'm going to see if i can find these movies you are talking about.

I'm sure my wife won't appreciate this. She will want to watch some sensitive movie or some crap like that...and I'll be like "No, we are watching a bunch of guys run around and shooting and burning stuff , etc. etc. It will be cool.

She will not agree, but tough...that's what's happening.

[Pekka]

Yeah well these should suit you then. It has no romance at all in them. Winter War is over 3 hours, lots of combat. Mostly just in trenches.. but it's good in a way that it's different type of war movie.. no one is the hero who never dies. They're just .. normal dudes. Scared ****less. Tired. Hungry. Dirty. So there's no Tom Cruise in it, that's for sure.

The battle scenes in Tuntematon Sotilas, well it is made in the 50s so it's not the Rambo movie, but .. it has mostly just dialogue in it. But it's great movie, if you can understand it. But watching that you have to be careful, because well, it's a difficult to understand, the dialogues. I don't know how they have translated them. But what is interesting, it was made right after the war, and most actors were actually in the war. And they are stilla ctors in todays soap operas..

But I'm quite sure you would like at least other one of them, depending your taste. I'mquite sure you like at least one yes. They both have same themes though, it concentrates on the groups dynamics and fears and stuff. It doesn't have the big officers winnign a single important battle. More like following a group of fellows throughout the wars, and they get beaten down too.

[Jack_www]

The thing I would like to know is, why would Russia risk a world war to attack the finns? That would be insane for Russia.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And just WTF could Europe do about it? How inclined would the US be to fight another war for France?

Are you aware that there are two nuclear powers in the EU, and that most European armies are still in the mindet of fighting a defensive war against the Rooskies?

In the time of the USSR and the Warsaw pact, the Soviet invasion was extremely scary for Europe. But today, with such a weakened military, Russia is certainly not the invincible foe we believed it to be.

[Pekka]

There's no risk if you do it properly. Basically making it seem justified. Then no one else will risk intervention. This is just common sense, even though we'd like to think otherwise. But why.. imperialism, old glory, to set the record straight .. And of course to prepare for the coming US invasion, they need our area for that. Otherwise US will get our area, and they can'h andle it. Our region is one of the most important in case of full blown US vs Russia war, adn both want it, by force. I don't know.. maybe some Germans comes and saves us then.

So, we need masterblasters. Quickly!

[Nubclear]

I'm too lazy to read Pekkas tome. I'm just hoping that hes not actualy implying Russia would attack Finland right now

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Are you aware that there are two nuclear powers in the EU, and that most European armies are still in the mindet of fighting a defensive war against the Rooskies?

In the time of the USSR and the Warsaw pact, the Soviet invasion was extremely scary for Europe. But today, with such a weakened military, Russia is certainly not the invincible foe we believed it to be.

Harr harr. The Yanks wouldn't give Britain the launch codes over Finland, and France could be bought off with a load of chocolate!

Are you seriously suggesting that mighty France would put their... 3 warheads up against total obliteration of everything that ever had a trace of a french accent?

Shirly, you jest!

As far as the Russian Army not being it's former self, you are most likely correct. However, European armies were never a shadow of the shadow that the Russians are now.

You'd get your butts handed to you in either a nuclear of conventional sense. Best get used to it, or seriously step up your military spending.

[Pekka]

Tass, they are baby eaters. You never know. Better be cool yes........

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Pekka
Tass, they are baby eaters. You never know. Better be cool yes........

We still have plenty of population to go through before we need Finland to resupply

[Pekka]

Yes and our babies are on a diet too so they don't look too attarctive to your monsterous mouths.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Harr harr. The Yanks wouldn't give Britain the launch codes over Finland, and France could be bought off with a load of chocolate!

Are you seriously suggesting that mighty France would put their... 3 warheads up against total obliteration of everything that ever had a trace of a french accent?

We want nuclear destruction about as much as the Russians. This whole "balance of terror" thingy that even prevents India and Pakistan from fighting with each other, despite their mutual inability of completely obliterate the other.

As far as the Russian Army not being it's former self, you are most likely correct. However, European armies were never a shadow of the shadow that the Russians are now.

France and Germany alone spend as much as Russia on their militaries. You should update your post-WW2 preconceptions, you know.