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Not really. As I said, I don't think even the White House was retarded enough to think that Saddam having chem/bio weapons was somehow a real threat to us.
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Attacking the basis of support has been a method of warfare since the mid 19th century. In fact, it was a Yank named Sherman who pioneered it, I think.
A civil war is nastier in degree than any other type of war. The winner will be the one willing to do what is necessary in the most effective degree.
It's not so simple the way you make it out to be.
In our civil war, the South fired the first shot, and they were considered the aggressors. Secondly with the release of the Emancipation Proclomation, the Union's credibility went up about 5000%. The war had two clear justifications.
This war had a justification based on a lie.
The paradox that you don't get is, by attacking "the basis of support," we create more enemies, as our intel there sucks, and figuring who is who has been problematic, at best.
If we were really ready to "do what is necessary," there would be another 700,000 guys on the ground there.
So what we have is a situation with:
1) No moral justification
2) A half assed amount of resourcesWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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I think they said the threat was to regional stabilty (read Israel and Saudi oilfields). At leats that is what I understood since noone ever said Saddam had a missile that could get to North America.Originally posted by Ramo
Not really. As I said, I don't think even the White House was retarded enough to think that Saddam having chem/bio weapons was somehow a real threat to us.(\__/)
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You were nothing without redcoats and the royal navy. Get over it.Originally posted by notyoueither
Are you kidding? The founders of Ontario as a colony began there as bases to burn revolutionary townships down.
Our history of firing Yankee homesteads goes way back.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Oh christ, are you listening to yourself?Originally posted by Ted Striker
It's not so simple the way you make it out to be.
In our civil war, the South fired the first shot, and they were considered the aggressors. Secondly with the release of the Emancipation Proclomation, the Union's credibility went up about 5000%. The war had two clear justifications.
This war had a justification based on a lie.
The paradox that you don't get is, by attacking "the basis of support," we create more enemies, as our intel there sucks, and figuring who is who has been problematic, at best.
If we were really ready to "do what is necessary," there would be another 700,000 guys on the ground there.
So what we have is a situation with:
1) No moral justification
2) A half assed amount of resources(\__/)
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Attacking the basis of support has been a method of warfare since the mid 19th century. In fact, it was a Yank named Sherman who pioneered it, I think.
A civil war is nastier in degree than any other type of war. The winner will be the one willing to do what is necessary in the most effective degree.
The Sunni Arabs would have practically no chance of winning a civil war - i.e. taking over the country (unless we decide to reverse our policies and prop them up), regardless of whether Allawi uses death squads or not."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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And?Originally posted by notyoueither
Oh christ, are you listening to yourself?We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Why would I want to get over the Empire? We were into the good fights 2 or 3 years ahead of you timid lot on at least two occassions, and we kicked your ass more than once to boot.Originally posted by Ted Striker
You were nothing without redcoats and the royal navy. Get over it.(\__/)
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I think they said the threat was to regional stabilty (read Israel and Saudi oilfields). At leats that is what I understood since noone ever said Saddam had a missile that could get to North America.
Again, I don't think that the WH was delusional enough to think that either. The general idea sold to the American public was that Saddam was in league with al Qaeda, who would use the weapons. But as I said, that ain't the real reason either. And, since this is totally off topic and I don't want to threadjack my own thread, I'd like to continue this somewhere else or preferably, not at all.
I was just asking Dan for his justification."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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YOU didn't kick anyone's ass.Originally posted by notyoueither
Why would I want to get over the Empire? We were into the good fights 2 or 3 years ahead of you timid lot on at least two occassions, and we kicked your ass more than once to boot.
Your Pommie masters did.
They made you carry the piss bucket.
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Yes, but you still have to get from here to there, don't you?Originally posted by Ramo
Attacking the basis of support has been a method of warfare since the mid 19th century. In fact, it was a Yank named Sherman who pioneered it, I think.
A civil war is nastier in degree than any other type of war. The winner will be the one willing to do what is necessary in the most effective degree.
The Sunni Arabs would have practically no chance of winning a civil war - i.e. taking over the country (unless we decide to reverse our policies and prop them up), regardless of whether Allawi uses death squads or not.
At this point Iraq isn't going to be peaceful based on nice words. Allawi is going to have to do something to restore 'peace', and speeches probably aren't it.(\__/)
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Keep thinking happy thoughts. Keep in mind that it was French Canadians who told you most loudly to **** off, twice.Originally posted by Ted Striker
YOU didn't kick anyone's ass.
Your Pommie masters did.
They made you carry the piss bucket.
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I think the heavy handed torture tactics have worked extremley well so far, in fact, so good, this war is just about won.Originally posted by notyoueither
Yes, but you still have to get from here to there, don't you?
At this point Iraq isn't going to be peaceful based on nice words. Allawi is going to have to do something to restore 'peace', and speeches probably aren't it.
We should top it off with the death squads, and it will be game over.
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I'm sure you think that's true.Originally posted by notyoueither
Keep thinking happy thoughts. Keep in mind that it was French Canadians who told you most loudly to **** off, twice.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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