Yes, it's that time again, Vince! ACS Political Compass / 2005 edition!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Well I could say I'm against abortion except in cases where the mother's health is at risk or if it was a case of rape or incest.

It makes you far more authoritarian than me on the issue then. I am a strong supporter of abortion on-demand (I consider birth control to be the greatest thing that came out the 20th century).

Just like with Marijuana, you show less support than me (and plenty of other lefties) for a social right.

You shouldn't be ashamed: everybody can have his opinions, and I would imagine your social-libertarian score is slightly more liberal than the average of the US. However, with such opinions, you clearly cannot claim to be Apolyton's champion of social libertarianism.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
It makes you far more authoritarian than me on the issue then.

NOT necessarily. The abortion issue, in large part, ISN'T one of libertarian/authoritarian. If a fetus is a person with rights, then it's no more "authoritarian" to prevent someone from killing it than to have laws against normal murder. Wanting to extend the concept of personhood and the associated rights to something does not make one authoritarian in the least.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


NOT necessarily. The abortion issue, in large part, ISN'T one of libertarian/authoritarian. If a fetus is a person with rights, then it's no more "authoritarian" to prevent someone from killing it than to have laws against normal murder. Wanting to extend the concept of personhood and the associated rights to something does not make one authoritarian in the least.

WHEN YOU TRAMPLE OVER THE RIGHTS OF A WOMAN IT DOES

[Kuciwalker]

The 13th amendment trampled over the rights of slaveowners

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Spiffor

It makes you far more authoritarian than me on the issue then. I am a strong supporter of abortion on-demand (I consider birth control to be the greatest thing that came out the 20th century).

Well I'm not one for murdering babies.

Just like with Marijuana, you show less support than me (and plenty of other lefties) for a social right.

I said I'm fine with it. If you smoke it in your house and not in my face, you won't get resistance.

You shouldn't be ashamed: everybody can have his opinions, and I would imagine your social-libertarian score is slightly more liberal than the average of the US. However, with such opinions, you clearly cannot claim to be Apolyton's champion of social libertarianism.

I'm not socially liberal. I'm socially centerist. That's what I consider myself. The score and test is skewed. Nothing wrong with being a centerist. In fact it is the most logical place to be at in the United States. Economic neo-Liberalism is more my kind of reality (you know Adam Smith Liberalism).

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I'm not socially liberal. I'm socially centerist. That's what I consider myself. The score and test is skewed. Nothing wrong with being a centerist. In fact it is the most logical place to be at in the United States

Glad to see you changed your mind

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I want more personal freedom then everyone else.
[...]
I just don't see how you can be anymore socially libertarian then me.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Spiffor


Glad to see you changed your mind

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I want more personal freedom then everyone else.
[...]
I just don't see how you can be anymore socially libertarian then me.

Since when does being libertarian = liberal?

Additionally, being for more economic freedom does add to my personal freedom score.

[Spiffor]

Ah, so you're "socially centerist" while being the most "socially libertarian" there can be?

[Krill]

It makes you far more authoritarian than me on the issue then. I am a strong supporter of abortion on-demand (I consider birth control to be the greatest thing that came out the 20th century).

Well I'm not one for murdering babies.

Yeah, but you don't have that sort of problem, do you?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Additionally, being for more economic freedom does add to my personal freedom score.

Maybe to pursue your own personal wealth and power, but if you want to work for a better society your type of economic freedom won't make you free to do so. You will be punished for that.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Maybe to pursue your own personal wealth and power, but if you want to work for a better society your type of economic freedom won't make you free to do so. You will be punished for that.

Wrong. Economic freedom benefits everybody, and brings great advancement. If you want to work for a better society you would abandon your communist beliefs, and work for a better, more free economy. The freer the economy, the freer the people.

[Agathon]

You are the least socially libertarian person on the forum. It reminds me of when you claimed to be a John McCain Republican.

[Ben Kenobi]

Gian:

It does us no good to do anything other than assess our answers for each question.

After all, the point is that we are showing how according to this test, I am considered more socially libertarian than you.

The fact that you do not consider the test representative of what you believe is interesting, because a discussion like this can show us the problems with the test.

[Ben Kenobi]

1. If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

Agree. I think corporations ought to have concern for the welfare of others, and that such concern will improve their bottom line at the same time.

2. I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

Strongly disagree. I do not support many of the things that Canada approves of. I consider myself a Canadian, though greatly ill-served by our current parliament. For me to serve my country as is, is to bear false witness to what I believe to be the truth.

3. No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it.

Agree, quite weakly. Why be proud of anything?

4. Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.

Strongly disagree. What race am I?

5. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Strongly disagree. Pragmatism is not justification for sacrificing principles.

6.Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified.

Strongly disagree. I don't think any military action is justified.

7. There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.

Disagree. Why worry about such trivial things?

[Ben Kenobi]

8. People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality.

Disagree. I am far more of a nationalist than a communiist.

9. Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment.

Agree. Tough question. I'm out of work, and would rather be working, but would I rather see my earnings erode, like in Alice in Wonderland, running very fast just to stay in the same place? No.

10. Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.

Disagree. I think corporations will find it beneficial to obtain a green reputation.

11. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea.

Strongly disagree. Just say no to communism, kids.

12. It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.

Agree. I have never paid a penny for drinking water.

13. Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold.

Strongly disagree. Who would own the land, the state?

14. It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society.

Strongly disagree. How can we tolerate dem Joos and their moneychanging?

15. Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade.

Strongly disagree. It may be preferred, but it is not necessary in order to preserve prosperity.

16. The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

Disagree. I believe a company ought to have some sense of social responsibility.

17.The rich are too highly taxed.

Agree. That is the case here in Canuckistan.

18. Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care.

Agree. Endless debate here in Canada. I think competition will improve standards of care, rather than deminish them.

19. Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public.

Agree. This is why we have laws against fraud.

20. A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies.

Disagree. A genuine free market would stop stifling the competition they face. Generally these monopolies are formed, not as a result of market forces, but of legislative loopholes.

21. The freer the market, the freer the people.

Strongly agree. Trade barriers impoverish one segment to enrich another.